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Full title: Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version "to access a decade-old, discontinued video game"

Ubisoft's lawyers have responded to a class action lawsuit over the shutdown of The Crew, arguing that it was always clear that you didn't own the game and calling for a dismissal of the case outright.

The class action was filed in November 2024, and Ubisoft's response came in February 2025, though it's only come to the public's attention now courtesy of Polygon. The full response from Ubisoft attorney Steven A. Marenberg picks apart the claims of plaintiffs Matthew Cassell and Alan Liu piece by piece, but the most common refrain is that The Crew's box made clear both that the game required an internet connection and that Ubisoft retained the right to revoke access "to one or more specific online features" with a 30-day notice at its own discretion.

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[–] [email protected] 256 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Here's the original in higher quality and less cropping: https://i.imgur.com/XzgU9AS.mp4

The watermark in the bottom right corner says KLING AI 1.6

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[–] [email protected] 255 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Ubisoft cannot complain when gamers "pirate" their games then.

If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't theft and all that.

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[–] [email protected] 178 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Ubisoft you can't complain if I pirate your games, because I never actually bought them and you weren't deceived by a lack of purchase.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Hijacking.

Are you European Union Citizen? Do you like games?

Do you want to own games again? and not just "License" them? Then please join the Stop destroying Videogames Initiative.

Initiative - https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2024/000007_en

(Only sign if you are a EU citizen!)

It's an initiative to get the European parliament to discuss the matter all together, and Iirc, it already has some members that support it. (So It's not just any ordinary petition that will go nowhere.)

We have already collected 42% of the 1 million signatures from European citizens required. But the deadline is June 2025 and if we don't get enough signatures by then, it won't be looked at by the European commission. So to at least get the matter to be discussed, please sign!

(ONLY FOR European Union citizens! No one else! Please do not sign if you aren't an EU citizen. Also No Brits! there's another initiative for the UK.)

Short video explainer about the initiative - https://youtu.be/mkMe9MxxZiI

For more info visit https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

You can also view the petitions for other countries - (Australia, Canada, UK, Brazil.. and more)

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

This is the correct response.

[–] [email protected] 150 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Ubisoft cannot complain if I pirate their games, because they never actually sold them. And I'm not deceiving them with my intention of never, ever, give them a dime.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago (14 children)

Yeah I'd really like to know how this 'you don't ever own the game' fits in with their other line 'piracy is theft'.

how can you have stolen something if you haven't actually gotten it?

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[–] [email protected] 121 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

i say ubisoft can eat shit

have not purchased anything from them in over a decade

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago

By their argument, nobody's "purchased" anything from them in over a decade!

What they've been doing that whole time is committing massive fraud (false advertising, violating the First Sale Doctrine, etc.) instead.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I got it on one of those giveaways that steam/epic/gog sometimes do, so I never even gave them money over it and I still want my money back.

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[–] ICastFist 90 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Let's see if the physical disc once said anything about needing an online connection for single play. Oh look, it did not, the subscription required was only for 2-8 players network play.

Let's compare with Destiny 2's back cover, a game that is a MMO and thus "cannot be owned" by the players. Hey, a "Online Play (Required)*" sticker that is not present on The Crew! The fine print has a bit that states that "Activision makes no guarantee of regarding availability of online play or features, and may modify or discontinue online services at its discretion without notice."

FF14 also had a "Online Play (Required)*" sticker on its back cover. It clearly states on the rectangular bit above the T Rating: "Users are granted only a limited, revocable license and do not own any intellectual property in the game or game data"

You deceived consumers, Ubisoft. "Online Play Required" is not there, so the game should remain playable offline.

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If buying isn’t owning then sharing isn’t stealing…

By principle I avoid “online required” games.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It may be legal, but it certainly ain’t ethical.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should do it.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

i have the legal right to stand on the street corner and call everyone who walks by a stupid slut.

that does not mean i will at no point get punched

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (16 children)

If you never actually own a Ubisoft game that logically pirating them isn't theft right? Right?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

I am 100% serious, I don't see the contradiction in this.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Ubisoft can't complain that I wont buy their games if I don't really own their games.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Don't like this? Sign the EU petition Stop Killing Games.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 month ago (6 children)

When does Ubisoft realize that "you never owned it" and "you can't complain" are arguments for not buying their next game?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago

Why buy what you can't own? ☠️

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 month ago (3 children)

If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 month ago

Sweet. Just giving me more reasons to not buy Ubisoft’s garbage.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago

They can't complain when I never actually give them money but still play then

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (10 children)

If you have to buy it, you own it. Make it free to play but have in game purchases. Everyone knows free games can shut down any time. I play lot of mobile apps until I get tired of playing it, then delete.

I avoid buying games that requires online connection. It means the game is unplayable without it.

It's sickening what companies can get away with just because it's legal. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I've been avoiding Ubisoft games for quite some time. And blizzard. And a handful of other studios because of these bullshit shenanigans.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

That's why I boycott video games from Ubisoft. I loved and am nostalgic of their previous outstanding games from when it was great - think of Beyond Good and Evil, the original 3 Prince of Persia games and the assassin's creed games until odyssey(I'm hesitant to include Valhalla, but I'm at witt's end here as Einar Selvik sang and composed the ost of the game for goodness' sake). I even paid a (🤮) connect+ subscription that they threatened at some point that some accounts may be lost as per a number of days of innactivity.

But enough is enough, Ubisoft be better prepared to not own a company and be manned by Tencent. As much as I hate even the latter, Ubisoft is a scummy company and needs to be properly grouped in the scummy companies even by allegiance.

I hope the European Citizen's innitiative for video games passes, in the end. The source code/maintenance of discontinued/stopped projects ought to be maintained by the players and its community.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

"Nobody reads those EULAs, and the Defendant knows that. Therefore, the Defendant cannot hide behind the EULA as a shield because the Prosecution, having clicked Agree without being required to confirm that they read through the terms, could not have possibly known what they were agreeing to."

"If you are what you agree to, your Honor, then my clients are an unknown spaghetti of legal mumbo jumbo."

"No further remarks, your Honor."

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I would relish a lawsuit against EULAs where the defendant somehow sends the prosecutor a EULA in a software package that declares that they automatically lose the lawsuit by clicking Agree.

It would really hammer in the point that fucking NOBODY reads this shit.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

I think someone calculated the time it would take to read every single one you're expected to agree with in normal every day life, and it worked out to needing 76 work days to read everything you "agree" to in a typical year.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And this is exactly why Ubisoft is dying. Good riddance.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

Hey Ubisoft, you can't complain when I pirate your stupid games, because there's nothing to own apparently.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Although ubisoft is a shit company, don't think it's the only one. Every game you bought on Steam, Origin and Epic aren't your property either. You just bought the right to play their game for as long as they allow you to.

If you truly want to own your products, buy on GoG (you will get the offline installer as a download) or pirate. Because when you pirate, you have more rights and benifits than a paying customer.

Companies don't even care anymore, it's just a money grab with the newest bug simulator. As soon as the first purchase bubble ended, the project is abandoned and people are stuck with a piece of junk they do not even own.

In the exceptional case a dev truly delivers, like indie studios or Larian studio, the game dev world goes mental as it shows how corrupt and fucked up they are.

Support the few proper devs, pirate the rest. I pirate everything these days and when the game is good I'll buy it.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (13 children)

Definitely deceived into thinking you are purchasing a game though.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Technically they're right, which is why pirating Ubisoft games is ethical.

Edit: Pirating Nintendo games is ethical too, of course.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When Ubisoft introduced always online DRM with AC2, I was out. It's nice with the Internet how much being anti-Ubisoft has become common enough to be unsurprising

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

Looks like I'll be pirating Black Flag for my next replay.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I have the fucking disc to prove I do own it, you arseholes.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

EU cutizens can sign European Citizens' Initiative that aims to prevent publishers using killswitches to permanently disable games. If it gets 1M signatures, it will be discussed in European Comission.

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