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TL;DR: Self-Driving Teslas Rear-End Motorcyclists, Killing at Least 5

Brevity is the spirit of wit, and I am just not that witty. This is a long article, here is the gist of it:

  • The NHTSA’s self-driving crash data reveals that Tesla’s self-driving technology is, by far, the most dangerous for motorcyclists, with five fatal crashes that we know of.
  • This issue is unique to Tesla. Other self-driving manufacturers have logged zero motorcycle fatalities with the NHTSA in the same time frame.
  • The crashes are overwhelmingly Teslas rear-ending motorcyclists.

Read our full analysis as we go case-by-case and connect the heavily redacted government data to news reports and police documents.

Oh, and read our thoughts about what this means for the robotaxi launch that is slated for Austin in less than 60 days.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 days ago (2 children)

the cybertruck is sharp enough to cut a deer in half, surely a biker is just as vulnerable.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago

It’s because the system has to rely on visual cues, since Tesla’s have no radar. The system looks at the tail light when it’s dark to gauge the distance from the vehicle. And since some bikes have a double light the system thinks it’s a car in front of them that is far away, when in reality it’s a bike up close. Also remember the ai is trained on human driving behavior which Tesla records from their customers. And we all know how well the average human drives around two wheeled vehicles.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sounds like NHTSA needs a visit from DOGE!

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

I imagine bicyclists must be æffected as well if they're on the road (as we should be, technically). As somebody who has already been literally inches away from being rear-ended, this makes me never want to bike in the US again.

Time to go to Netherlands.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

this makes me never want to bike in the US again.

I live close enough to work for it to be a very reasonable biking distance. But there is no safe route. A high-speed "stroad" with a narrow little bike lane. It would only be a matter of time before some asshole with their face in their phone drifts into me.

I am deeply resentful of our automobile-centric infrastructure in the U.S. It's bad for the environment, bad for our wallets, bad for our waistlines, and bad for physical safety.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago

Thank you for your service.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Affectively, does it realy mater if someone has slite misstakes in there righting?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Cuz other self driving cars use LIDAR so it's basically impossible for them to not realise that a bike is there.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Remember, you have the right to self-defence, against both rogue robots and rogue humans.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago

Trucks in general have gotten so big they are pedestrian deathtraps

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Every captcha.....can you see the motorcycle? I would be afraid if they wanted all the squares with small babies or maybe just regular folk...can you pick all the hottie's? Which of these are body parts?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)

This is another reason I’ll never drive a motorcycle. Fuck that shit.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's like smoking: if you haven't started, don't XD

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (6 children)

As a fellow meat crayon I agree

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Bahaha, that one is new to me.

~~Back when I worked on an ambulance, we called the no helmet guys organ donors.~~

This comment was brought to you by PTSD, and has been redacted in a rare moment of sobriety.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

As someone who likes the open sky feeling, this is why I drive a convertible instead.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I wonder if a state court judge could mandate its use as unsafe?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They are illegal in every developed country.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

But muh innovation! How are genius CEOs supposed to innovate if they can't use the public at large as guinea pigs??

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Elon needs to take responsibility for their death.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

That's why Tesla's full self driving is officially still a level 2 cruise control. But of course they promise to jump directly to level 4 soon™.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Good to know, I'll stay away from those damn things when I ride.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

Commuting in CA feels like I’m navigating a minefield 🤡

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I already do. Flip a coin: Heads, the car is operating itself and is therefore being operated by a moron. Tails, the owner is driving it manually and therefore it is being operated by a moron.

Just be sure to carefully watch your six when you're sitting at a stoplight. I've gotten out of the habit of sitting right in the center of the lane, because the odds are getting ever higher that I'll have to scoot out of the way of some imbecile who's coming in hot. That's hard to do when your front tire is 24" away from the license plate of the car in front of you.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You mean they are providing organ donations more than any other car. Silver lining. /s

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