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Lemmy's design is focused on quality content by ditching the Karma farmers and addicts. No more chasing upvotes—people here actually focus on real value instead of feeding the ego.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Really? I have like 15 meme communities blocked, and there are comparably very few niche communities.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Yeah, lemmy suffers a lot of from this. Too many posts that try to just make the front page, too many popular communities that dominate c/all. I've even had a friend quit over this.

I genuinely miss communities about games, linguistics and niche hobbies - they just aren't as popular as news/politics/general memes and that. I do try to post them as much as i can, but since they're niche there's only so much content you can find.

I'd love for the frontpage to have some [optional, ofc] changes that encourage more of this type of content.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Why would anyone be on all? Even with reddit I I quit going to all probably 10 years ago....

And don't let my Lemmy age fool you, I drop my account every 6 to 8 months. It took my a lot longer to figure that out on reddit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 58 minutes ago (1 children)

For me it's to find new content (i block most news/politics communities since they're most of c/all) but there's a lot of attention and eyes to be gained from all.

But most of this, as i said; is buried by the generic popular content.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 minutes ago* (last edited 14 minutes ago)

Well yeah, that's what ALL is right? The most generic stuff. You can browse communities and subscribe as needed.

If you are going to use all It might help to enable scaled sorting.

It boosts small communities in the sort.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago

Blocked? Why? If you don't want to see them why are you subscribed to them?

I mean if you want niche communities you create them and subscribe to them right?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I mean there are upvotes and downvotes so I don't know what you mean. But there isn't a real incentive to have lots of upvotes on here. I'm not even sure why karma farming even is a thing on reddit. Maybe cause you can sell the account to whatever guy wants to buy it?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I was offered $300 for my Reddit account once lmao

[–] [email protected] 1 points 34 minutes ago

That's batshit crazy

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 hours ago

Reddit become more unusable because of the ads, bots, redditors who promote their onlyfans / business.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Visible post and comment scores are still going to produce some of this behavior. You may not have a total karma but people will still get dopamine from seeing their posts getting upvotes and be reinforced in doing the same again. So the same mechanisms of social pressure and uniformisation are at play. The worst being when people delete their minority opinion comments because of the downvote pressure.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You can turn vote counts off if you want to.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Yeah but I won't because I like dopamine.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

I wish that commenting would automatically upvote a post. It's far too late to fix the use of an upvote as approval of subject discussion and not just an agree arrow, but I often...no, I almost always forget to upvote the initial topic even after leaving a few paragraphs. One would hope whatever algorithm is used also considers activity and number of comments in a rating or suggesting it to others.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, I often just forget to upvote generally. Although this could lead to argumentative posters making troll posts, getting engagement and trending just because people reply to them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago

Might also discourage people from feeding the trolls.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

There ate multiple algorithms, but I don't think any of them account for both votes and comments.. I might be wrong though.

Tangent: the "scaled* algorithm, which normalises post ranks by the popularity of the community they're posted to, is excellent. I recommend everyone use it as their default.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

I don't get the karma hangup thing. Like.. Lemmy does have Karma, but we just don't culturally make it a priority.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

It doesn't accumulate and display anywhere though, does it?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I think there might still be one or two apps that show a total.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Doesn't show your total on the Eternity app

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 hours ago (9 children)

The fact that it's not designed to notify you every time you get 5 upvotes changes the game. Also low Karma accounts can post in Lemmy as opposed to Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

notify you every time you get 5 upvotes

wat

Is that a new thing? I'm pretty sure it didn't do that before I left.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly - Reddit specifically and intentionally uses dark patterns to reinforce the importance of karma at every turn. The first interaction that someone has with Reddit is usually "you don't have enough karma to post/comment/vote in this subreddit." There are secret communities and public awards for high karma earners. There is a frontpage dedicated to rapid karma-earning posts. There is no disincentive for karma farming reposts, and subreddits are actually punished for reducing reposts. Karma is commoditized.

Here the votes still matter, but the algorithm is public and users can and do sort in a variety of ways to discover new and relevant content. There is no single "front-page"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

Unfortunately, on reddit - when subreddits restrict new posters or low karma commenters, they're just trying to mitigate the impact of trolls and bots and people making new accounts. It's not about being elitist.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The karma restrictions seems at first a good idea but can be bypassed very easily. The bots steal older popular posts or pictures and repost them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Sure, but it offers at least some protection.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

There are upvotes and downvotes and they do have some use gauging that content IMO

That being said, without the corporate structure and profit motive to produce a monetizing algo that encourages others to game it to further their own monetizing goals....it's SIGNIFICANTLY better

Up/Down votes aren't inherently bad, Reddit and other corporate platforms corrupt it with their profit chasing

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

No, there's karma. I've had more than a couple guys point out mine is negative.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

I think some apps will request all of your comment history and manually calculate karma but it’s not tracked by lemmy

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 hours ago (17 children)

Ironically, this account's bio and its history is screaming "I am a LLM posting a bunch of AI slop".

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

I think the only way to really fix this is to make votes a limited asset that accounts have. There are forums where this has worked okay: bodybuilding.com forums has a reputation system where accounts are limited in what they can give to other voters.

As long as “karma” is unlimited it suffers from the same problems whether you count it in aggregate or not. As some other commenters have said, people still seek validation in individual comments. I know because I do too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Thanks, kind stranger! Here's an updoot and Reddit Silver!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

Shit, I'm sorry. I had close to 1m before I bailed. It was all quality comment karma though. I just have no life.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Can't say I ever cared about karma. Lemmy reminds me of stripped down original reddit. Almost original. I remember when Reddit didn't even have thumbnails. Back then, there was a thing called memepool. You didn't know what you were going to get when you clicked on links on either site. There was a lot of fun unpredictable content and Reddit still meant you read it and we're vouching for it. It was like this whole world of quality stuff from really smart people. Thumbnails and subreddits ushered in a series of trashings and lead to intense divisiveness reddit never recovered from. . .

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