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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

New-ish thread from Baldur Bjarnason:

Wrote this back on the mansplainiverse (mastodon):

It's understandable that coders feel conflicted about LLMs even if you assume the tech works as promised, because they've just changed jobs from thoughtful problem-solving to babysitting

In the long run, a babysitter gets paid much less an expert

What people don't get is that when it comes to LLMs and software dev, critics like me are the optimists. The future where copilots and coding agents work as promised for programming is one where software development ceases to be a career. This is not the kind of automation that increases employment

A future where the fundamental issues with LLMs lead them to cause more problems than they solve, resulting in much of it being rolled back after the "AI" financial bubble pops, is the least bad future for dev as a career. It's the one future where that career still exists

Because monitoring automation is a low-wage activity and an industry dominated by that kind of automation requires much much fewer workers that are all paid much much less than one that's fundamentally built on expertise.

Anyways, here's my sidenote:

To continue a train of thought Baldur indirectly started, the rise of LLMs and their impact on coding is likely gonna wipe a significant amount of prestige off of software dev as a profession, no matter how it shakes out:

  • If LLMs worked as advertised, then they'd effectively kill software dev as a profession as Baldur noted, wiping out whatever prestige it had in the process
  • If LLMs didn't work as advertised, then software dev as a profession gets a massive amount of egg on its face as AI's widespread costs on artists, the environment, etcetera end up being all for nothing.
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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Huggingface cofounder pushes against LLM hype, really softly. Not especially worth reading except to wonder if high profile skepticism pieces indicate a vibe shift that can't come soon enough. On the plus side it's kind of short.

The gist is that you can't go from a text synthesizer to superintelligence, framed as how a straight-A student that's really good at learning the curriculum at the teacher's direction can't really be extrapolated to an Einstein type think-outside-the-box genius.

The world 'hallucination' never appears once in the text.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I actually like the argument here, and it's nice to see it framed in a new way that might avoid tripping the sneer detectors on people inside or on the edges of the bubble. It's like I've said several times here, machine learning and AI are legitimately very good at pattern recognition and reproduction, to the point where a lot of the problems (including the confabulations of LLMs) are based on identifying and reproducing the wrong pattern from the training data set rather than whatever aspect of the real world it was expected to derive from that data. But even granting that, there's a whole world of cognitive processes that can be imitated but not replicated by a pattern-reproducer. Given the industrial model of education we've introduced, a straight-A student is largely a really good pattern-reproducer, better than any extant LLM, while the sort of work that pushes the boundaries of science forward relies on entirely different processes.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

So I enjoy the Garbage Day newsletter, but this episode of Panic World with Casey Newton is just painful, in the way that Casey is just spitting out unproven assertions.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Got to a point in this where Casey Newton enumerated his "only two sides" of AI and well, fuck Casey Newton.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Was he the one who wrote that awful "real and dangerous vs fake and sucks" piece? The one that pretended that critihype was actually less common than actual questions about utility and value?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, and a lot of the answers he gave seemed to originate from that point.

One particularly grating thing was saying that the left needs to embrace AI to fight facism because "facism embraced AI and they are doing well!" which is just so grating a conclusion to jump to.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Nothing says "these people needed more shoving into lockers" than HPMoR 10th anniversary parties.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

These chumps are a disgrace to Harry Potter fans, and I say that in full knowledge of how embarrassing Harry Potter fans can be!!!!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

While not exactly celebration worthy and certainly not worth a tenth anniversary celebration, you could argue HPMoR finally coming to a fucking end by whatever means was a somewhat happy occasion.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

So did the series actually end or did it just sort of stop?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

It had an actual ending. Not a satisfying one, even by the standards of the rest of the fic, and I remember finding the treatment of Hermione kinda distasteful, but it wasn't even close to the worst part of the entire story. 3/10.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

the author decided to stop publishing texts but instead ~~lecture~~ ~~tirade~~ preach unto the thronging youths directly

in person it's easier to do sketchy shit that won't immediately get caught by a wider audience, you see?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

that was my first read, yeah... and then I realized that's probably not what the poster meant

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Also disturbing that OP's chosen handle—Screwtape—is that of a fictional demon, Senior tempter. A bit à-propos.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

I'd assume that is very intentional, nominative determinism is one of those things a lot of LW style people like. (Scott Alexander being a big one, which has some really iffy implications (which I fully think is a coincidence btw)).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

are we really clutching our pearls because someone named themselves after a demon

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I wouldn't say pearl-clutching as much as eye-rolling. Though we do dip into full BEC mode sometimes and the stubsack in particular can swing wildly between moral condemnation, intellectual critique, and calling out straight-up cringe.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

NASB: Ed Zitron's made wealthsimple's newsletter in Canada, and got compared to Kendrick Lamar in the process.

Gotta say, it feels kinda funny to see a comparison I made a while ago (if semi-jokingly) pop up again.

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