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[–] [email protected] 17 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

People seem to be forgetting the mod reminder, and I'm tired of deleting posts and banning people and I do not want to lock the thread, so here is a reminder of the reminder.

Edit: Well, this is what happens when people can't play nice. I'm locking this thread and taking out the trash.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

You have the freedom to decide, you do not have the freedom from the consequences on your decisions.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago

history won't do shit if it's controlled by tech billionaires until they destroy the planet.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

The most successful tactic of the right has been judging the left for their politics - "woke" etc. This works because it's "othering" - makes the left part of the out group that people don't want to be a part of. The left needs to be similarly unabashed, even though othering is kind of against the whole point of being on the left.

But it needs to be more fun and less serious than this post. Why is there no "screaming maga" meme? Surely there's plenty of those images, and more.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

Putting aside whether or not that's anathema to the cause, I'm not sure how you'd "other" them in a meaningful way. The reason it works for the right is that they target groups who's members are publicly visible and can't voluntarily leave (LGBT+, minorities, foreign religions, etc...)

If you target a group of people for their beliefs (something not overtly visible), they can either relabel their group or plausibly claim their beliefs differ in some way. We already do this for fascists and nazis, but very few people are going to outwardly admit to these ideals. Now they'll just say they're "extra-constitutional", "alt right", "Christian patriot", or any other hat a bigot wants to swap out for far right authoritarian.

You can't "other" them where they already proudly claim a majority (white + Christian) so what are you left with?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

it's really not about blaming voters anymore. that ship sailed. i had been calling for a conservative purge for the last 10 years but nobody listened to me. i don't know if we can stop what's coming now.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago

I'm going to continue judging them for the party they belong to because its a valid proxy for all the other stuff.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I see three main types of people that voted for trump, the easily duped, racists and the rich that don't care how they get their money. If someone tells me they voted for this guy I loose all respect for them. I'm sure that there's some one issue voters out there but I would lump them into the first category. I have even less respect for someone that doesn't like trump but did not vote.

I'm at a loss of what to even do. I would like to see the dnc grow a pair of balls and take on these monsters. I would like to see the dnc organize a national boycott on any company even closely tied to musk and trump. The protests are fine to show solidarity but the people in charge will not see it. Hitting the companies in the wallet that are helping musk and trump destroy our country would be a good cause IMHO.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I knew one of those types. The first Trump campaign he straight up said he wanted to see the US destroyed and that's why he was voting. He used to be a run-of-the-mill liberal dude but got caught up in stupid 4 Chan and shit and became a huge mysogynist and racist. It was sick watching him turn and become emboldened over the years.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago

Accelerationists are a blight. That sucks.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago (8 children)

I've lived all around this country and I think the biggest bucket that you exclude is "people who grew up their whole lives in Republican communities that also don't care about politics nearly as much as chronic Internet users". these people go to the booths and go ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ before voting for whoever's campaign banner they saw around town more or whoever they heard a relative mention. these people are everywhere. they aren't even bad people or misinformed dummies, per say, just willingly uninformed. for a large swath of Americans, being Republican is just the default unfortunately.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

History will look back at the American empire and judge all its complicit civilians equally. It's Democrat vanity that makes them think they're not in the same genocidal boat as Republicans. You may think of yourselves in another class, but your politicians were complicit in the same crimes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

The people who are getting real mad over Republican voters don't really care that Rs and Ds have the same foreign policy. The frontier of empire is coming home, but acknowledging that would mean acknowledging we export suffering.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

I thought we stopped doing that that in 2003

[–] [email protected] 52 points 14 hours ago

There's a tiny part of me that's willing to allow that the people voting for him in 2016 just wanted to make their protests heard. Even though he was very, very clear who he is and what he stands for, people were struggling and made themselves heard in the shittiest possible way.

But the people who voted him in again, knowing exactly how it's going to shake out could all drop dead at once and I wouldn't shed a tear. Fuck every one of those cunts.

[–] RandomVideos 16 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

History doesnt judge people

Nobody claims that WW2 was because of voters, that the Poland invasion was because of the soldiers

The people leading the propaganda are blamed

[–] [email protected] 22 points 13 hours ago

And yet, so many people's German grandfathers refused to talk about what they did during the war. Despite the lack of judgment.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 12 hours ago

History does judge people. The nazi soldiers have caught a ton of grief, even in my lifetime. The israli soldiers currently serving are frequently compared to nazi soldiers both in meme and article form.

Yes the leaders get most (and should) of the blame. But people do remember the other people making it possible. (google the Yaroslav Hunka scandal for a example).

Ill probably be considered a fascist myself in my descendants eyes, having not run for office or started/participated in a violent revolution. (I am holding out hope I might still be able to participate at least).

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 15 hours ago (24 children)

Hot take:

The problem isn't the other middle class people who've been convinced to wear a different color hat.

The problem is the oligarchs who've been plotting to take over and destroy the power of the people by dismantling the government. The people who are actively doing that exact thing while the ignorant masses engage in tribalism and attacking people for voting.

Engaging on this topic is just furthering the distraction tactics. The people who're actively working to destroy the government or implementing policies targeting minority populations are not your neighbors or anybody that you will run into on social media.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 18 hours ago (9 children)

America is waking up to the reality, as Germany once did, that 1/3 of their population wants to kill another 1/3 while the other 1/3 watches and stands by.

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