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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 week ago

If first interracial kiss on TV is Woke then I don't wanna be anything but.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It reminds me of those people that claim The X-Men have gotten "woke" even though that's been the whole point of the comic since the 60's or worse yet those poor souls out there who thought Rage Against the Machine was getting too political lol

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

"Please, if you find one of our songs that isn't political, please show it to me so I can verify and have it removed." - Tom Morello

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wonder what these people think "the machine" means 😭

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Fuck you, I won't print what you tell me

Fuck you, I won’t print what you tell me

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 week ago

Don't forget The Measure of a Man. We literally watched that in 9th grade American History, as a commentary about slavery.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Don't forget that the whole Federation is a post captialist utopia which is a political statement in itself.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

I like this idea too but ST only partially supports it.

In ST, the only reason they're ostensibly post capitalist is because they've solved the shortage problem. The replicator and anti-matter reactors are mulligans that get them a post capitalist world without making any social decisions. They don't restructure their society or economy to create an alternate method to distribute limited resources, they just get unlimited resources. That limits the usefulness of the analogy because we'll probably never achieve that.

Later on ST goes further and starts discussing several resources that are, in fact, limited. There's "latinum" which really only exists as a post scarcity exception. It doesn't really seem to have any uses but the scarcity is enough to drive the entire Ferengi economy and it's valuable enough that people want to trade with them.

The much bigger exception is the scarcity of trilithium. The Federation fights wars over it the same way real world Earth powers fight over oil. It's the scarce core resource powering their entire post-scarcity economy.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

Don’t forget that the whole Federation is a post captialist utopia which is a political statement in itself.

Great point!

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I never understood that complaint about Star Trek. The series has ALWAYS been woke since the beginning.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

True in a way, but it was more philosophical and not "in your face". It made you think about it, and the story was way waay better and deeper than today's pew-pew starwars approach to star trek. Every episode had a meaning and a lession.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

True in a way, but it was more philosophical and not “in your face”.

they did the first US interracial kiss during a time that would be controversial.

it was "in your face"

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Kinda like people complaining Rage Against the Machine becoming political.
Always has been.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I don't know about woke but I liked Trek before it got boring and poorly written -_-

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

We have The Orville today for good Trek

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I really tried to like that show but it's just ... Bad. To each their own but I'd rather just rewatch TNG or whatever other Star Trek. That show feels like it doesn't have an identity, the writers couldn't decide what kind of show they were writing and the acting is subpar.

Of course, if you enjoy it that's all that really matters - keep on watching and having fun!

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

My favorite detail of the TNG episode "The Outcast" is that the writers were pushing for an episode that touched on sexuality but Rick Berman wouldn't go for it. So the writers gave a figurative "fuck you" and wrote an episode on gender identity instead.

And while Berman was occupied holding TNG back the DS9 writers had enough freedom to use the Dax symbiote's multiple lifetimes to explore sexuality instead.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Does anyone else remember that TNG had a recurring background character who was just a regular crewman but he always wore a Star Fleet dress or skirt that would just walk around in the background of scenes? He may have had heels as well, I can’t remember. Regardless I always thought it was neat that they never made a big deal out of it or a joke

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

Its a type of uniform called a Skant. It was TNG trying to make the TOS miniskirts unisex. It only lasted a couple seasons I think, but it's gotten a couple callbacks on Lower Decks.

Nobody wears Skant's anymore

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Trek on gender: "Don't care, will smash" -- Kirk & Ryker

PS: Memba when Ryker was captured by a pre-First Contact civ and he had to bribe a nurse with an alien kink with sex in order to escape? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I remember that being a little more "coercive and rapey" than bribing, since the nurse was the one who demanded "fuck me and I'll set you free, or you can wait for whatever they are going to do to you."

I get Riker is full of fucks to give, but he didn't seem terribly pleased with not having a choice.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Oh, OG Trek was woke AF, but it wasn't done as ham-handed and hackey as what is happening now. It used to feed open-mindedness into everyone's living room and was generally welcome to do so. What we have now is just slapping you in the face with its floppy cock of wokeness every chance it gets. There is now almost no actual plot other than that. Doctor Who is doing the exact same thing. Can nothing of my childhood just be left the fuck alone? I mean, yeah, represent the marginalized. Make female heroes, or transgender, or whatever and whoever you feel needs to be represented or empowered. Do all of that, but do you have to rewrite absolutely everything ever written to do it? Have an original thought. Honestly, at this point, it is just lazy writing masquerading as woke.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What?! Fashion-Lizard and his Sidekick Dr.Twink are Woke?! I can't believe it!

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (8 children)

No mebtion of space communism? The federation is Marxist

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (25 children)

The Federation is not Marxist, communist, or socialist. These economic systems rely on a monetary framework where scarcity dictates value. In the Star Trek universe, scarcity has been eliminated on Earth. There is no energy crisis, no poverty, and no starvation. Transportation is instantaneous, and every individual's basic needs are met. With no financial struggle, humanity is no longer constrained by the pursuit of wealth. The Federation is not built on enforced equality but on a shared enlightenment. With abundant resources, every person enjoys a high standard of living.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Star Trek is and always has been deeply and inherently political

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Wait until people finally get the epiphany that Star Trek is advocating for a world government. And how many here, including outside the Internet, would actually like that?

Precisely.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I don't know. I might like that? It depends a lot on how it is implemented and who is in charge. 😅

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

People whined about black hobbits and elves.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I liked Trek before Alex Kurzman stuck his filthy fingers in it and made entire franchise a steaming pile of dog shit.

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