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Anyone, who doesn’t tread the „destroy Israel“ party line gets banned from [email protected]
Edit: although people here hate Israel and different opinions with a passion, nobody could cite the actual rule I broke.
YDI. Rule 4. Misinformation and probably also being viewed as trolling. You being overly pedantic and unable to understand it (going off comments here) doesn't change that.
YDI.
It's genocide by any other definition. You can split hairs all you want and call it "crimes against humanity" or whatever, but it's a distinction without much difference when we're talking about targeted missile strikes upon schools, hospitals, and apartment buildings. Pedantry isn't going to convey some nuance that people are missing, and the mods were right to put a stop to it.
If making targeted strikes against specific structures is grounds for calling it a genocide then what does launching 10,000 unguided rockets randomly into who-knows-what in a single day count as?
I hold the incredibly unpopular opinion that both sides have been absolutely terrible for a long time so don't come at me for picking a side. I am genuinely curious if you consider both of those acts of aggression as a genocide or not based on your own listed definition.
There were no targeted strikes. Biden told Israel to stop carpet bombing Gaza and Netanyahu's defense was that he was doing a Dresden.
What does launching 10,000 unguided rockets randomly into who-knows-what in a single day count as?
There were no 10.000 rockets in a single day. It was like 2200 and most of them were simple distraction rockets.
My apologies. It was ~10,000 rockets including October 7th and up until now.
However on October 7th specifically there are several reports putting the number around ~5,000 in a single day. All fired indiscriminately into primarily civilian areas.
Yes they were "distraction" rockets to overwhelm the iron dome, but most of those continued into strike again civilians primarily.
So if it's a genocide when Israel is firing rockets into Gaza then why is it not a genocide when you reverse the roles?
Logically they would either both considered attempted genocide or neither of them would be considered genocide.
This is how resistance from a concentration camp works. Hamas took great care to avoid child casualties. Israel takes great care to create child casualties.
"Hamas took great care to avoid child casualties"
https://www.barrons.com/news/how-many-children-were-killed-in-hamas-s-october-7-attack-9c1d8239
They shot one baby in the head along with their father inside of a bomb shelter.
They burned another baby and two other kids along with their parents.
They killed another 35 minors on October 7th alone.
And before you even try to claim that news source is biased they are independently reviewed to be a "center" news source.
I can openly admit that Israel has killed who even knows how many kids in Gaza since October 7th.
The only difference is I find both sides here to be sick and evil. You seem to think only one side of this conflict has done anything wrong.
Israel is confirmed to have killed at least 6 of the children you are mentioning so half your comment is discarded. The burnt children you are mentioning were confirmed killed by IDF tank fire.
Your dramatization of a baby being shot while held by an IDF militant is not relevant either.
Nonetheless even counting all the minors as killed by Hamas, it would constitute as 3% of the total Israeli deaths on 7 october.
The children killed by Israel in Gaza constitute more than 40% of the total deaths.
These numbers alone very clearly show who is targeting children and who is not.
This is not taking into account Israel on average killed more children in Gaza every single day than the total amount killed on 7 october.
What you said was disgusting and abhorrent. It should have been removed.
7 days is very lenient. Take it on the chin and reflect.
YDI and I’m blocking you for being a genocide denier and an overall fucking moron based on numerous comments.
Also I bet you’re a shit ass boyfriend why would anyone want to date a genocide denier.
This is disgusting hasbara. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Good.
Well, I'm going to start off with the obvious thing. You absolutely do not have a leg to stand on as far as what you said being genocide denial. You can quibble about semantics all you want, but that's literally what you did.
That being said, you're right about one thing. Genocide denial isn't an explicitly listed rule.
But you still broke multiple rules. The fact that you can't see that genocide denial falls under them, even though it is most definitely not listed as a specific rule of its own, that may be a thing where c/politics needs to refine its rules for better understanding, or it may be that you need to understand that you don't have to list every possible iteration of a broad rule for it to be part of a rule.
Then, if you go to the very bottom of their rules it does explicitly state that posts and comments may be removed even if they don't break any enumerated rules. My app doesn't let me flip back and forth to copy/paste what's written there word for word, but he mod action taken is within their stated standards.
Do I think that them using a ban reason that doesn't match their rules in wording was a good idea? Hell no. They should have just listed it as an extension of their misinformation rule, and there wouldn't be any question about it being appropriate. Seriously, you have made comments about the debate over whether or not the actions of Israel meet the definition of genocide, but the debate is essentially being framed on shaky ground to begin with, and none of the "it isn't" arguments hold water. So they definitely fall under misinformation.
Now, was your comment ban worthy? Maybe, maybe not. If it was your first offense, I'd say anything beyond a one day ban was over the top. I don't have the patience to sift through your user history to know how prone you are to that kind of thing. But it is a temporary ban. That's not going to be PTB territory under these circumstances. Temp bans are a tool to give a user time to cool down, think, and hopefully reach out for clarification. That's not power tripping at all. A permanent ban over a single offense, that might be power tripping, depending on the circumstances. It probably would be unless it was for an explicitly listed rule, and/or permabans are listed as a consequence for violating core rules.
So, summing up. This is not power tripping because your comment did break rules, and the ban is temporary. That you didn't understand the rules is irrelevant to that. Take this as a chance to clarify things with that community, and possibly suggest (in a calm and polite manner) that the rules be reworded so that better understanding is possible in the future
Edit: rule 3 is where they list misinformation. It isn't very well written, imo, but it's there
The ICJ has a reputation for its failures to stop past genocides and waiting until it does not matter anymore before they finally submit the judgement. Besides genocide denial you are factually incorrect.
You got banned for genocide denial because you were literally denying genocide. Did you think you weren't denying genocide, or did you think that denying genocide should be allowed on a politics community?
YDI for the reasons others have already listed, and also Y'dDI here for your efforts to rule lawyer after the fact.
YDI.
You're a genocide denier. No ifs, ands or buts.
Yet another person to tag as a Zionist in Voyager, so I can downvote any comments of theirs I run across.
There's no "rule" against promoting genocide because it's just common human decency that shouldn't need a rule.
It's like making a rule against posting videos of yourself eating poop. Just don't do it.
If the price of stopping genocide denial is letting them eat poo freely online I will accept it.
You don’t understand that ICJ genocide cases take years to legally prove therefore you think it isn’t genocide. They’ve killed 40,000+ civilians. That’s literally genocide. What did you expect? You should get off lemmy with such a horribly wrong opinion. No where should welcome such ideology.
Edit: bro thought they really got us with the edit
The number of dead isn’t sufficient for something to be called a genocide. A very special intent to destroy dolus specialis has to be proven.
Genocide is violence that’s targeted at individuals of a specific group because of their membership of said group in order to destroy the whole.
You reply that 40,000 isn’t enough since the most recent war? It starts over 100 years ago. How many need to die? All of their land but two small portions has been taken. Culture destroyed. Homes taken. Many killed.
No one with any human decency thinks like this. Read a book before you continue to cite non-existent facts.
Blocked.
Intent to destroy isn’t evident. The IDF took ample precautions against civilian deaths.
We don’t know how many combatants are among the 40,000. The only number available is the IDF estimate of 15,000. Hamas and other militant groups only publish their martyred combatants a while after hostilities have concluded and international attention has withdrawn.
A combatant to civilian death ratio of 1:3 would be fairly good for a war in a dense urban environment against a deeply entrenched and fortified enemy.
Also is you compared the destruction of buildings to the number of dead, it’s obvious that mostly empty buildings were destroyed.
Culture destroyed. Homes taken. Many killed.
Palestinian culture is very much alive in Israel and Palestine.
If you want to go over the last 100 years of this conflict, pay attention to the number of deaths. October 7th 2023 had the most deaths in a single day of the whole conflict. The ensuing Gaza war then followed up with likely more deaths in a year, than over the whole conflict combined including Arab armies.
Lots of terrible things happened before this war, but they don’t amount to genocide.
What’s been happening here is a watering down of the crime of genocide, just to demonize Israel.
But Israel IS demonic.
PTB. Substantive discussions around the definition of genocide are not the same as Nazis saying the Holocaust never happened or whatever and I think it’s ridiculous to conflate those things. There is no rule that would cover this other than one against misinformation—but OP has not challenged the facts on the ground, just the way language is being used. Language is always going to be a subjective and arbitrary thing.
That said, other things OP has said here might constitute misinformation so that makes me wonder if there is any missing context beyond this single comment.
If u want a news community that won't ban u for dissenting opinions then ur welcome on [email protected] . Follow instance rules and engage in good faith and I won't ban u. However i will warn u it would be up to db0 if this comment would be an instance rule violation. I will defend ur right to comment but sure as shit won't be defending what ur saying.
Thank you. I’m not on the Internet to avoid my views being challenged.