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[–] [email protected] 101 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Yes.

But first we need to deal with the traitors Orban and Fico.

Then we need to establish our own defence capabilities and reduce the dependencies on US companies for digital capabilities. (Get rid of Windows and US companies in the entire public sector.) Buy European, this will also Support our Economy.

Thirdly we should integrate closer with other countries also fucked over by Trump, like Canada

EDIT: Fourth - High Tariffs for all countries which don't adhere roughly to our environmental and social Standards. To avoid a Race to the bottom with globalisation. Free Trade with everyone else

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

But first we need to deal with the traitors Orban and Fico.

Yea, that would be great. Instead it is becoming a central European triangle of annoyance with the addition of Kickl.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thirdly we should integrate closer with other countries also fucked over by Trump, like Canada

Please do we need to support one another!

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Please take us with you.

We can start small; let us into Eurovision. You let Austrailia in - well, they're basically antipodous to us, so give Canada a go too.

After that, let's add some more spice. Maybe some trade agreements, or study-abroad programmes for exchange students. Then we can really turn up the heat, if you catch my drift.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Okay, we let you into Eurovision, you ship us poutine. This could definitely work.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Ooh, that would be nice! Kick out Israel while we're at it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd say the second step is to once and for all deal with the Russian thread. If Russia dies (metaphorically), the populists in the EU die with it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

They have Nukes. How do you want to "Deal with them once and for all" ?

Economic Sanctions? We are already doing it Direct Attack on their own territory (not Ukraine)? Seems Like a stupid Idea

Supporting Independence Movements through our Secret Services? Could Work, but you have to be careful, that No nutjobs in the newer smaller States end Up with the Nukes. I mean that's what He is doing, but explicitly supporting the Nutjobs

Doing a Hitjob on Putler? Same Risks AS the last point

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I will... Vote on you

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

OrbΓ‘n is already happening, there is hope. He is steadily polling in the minority.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

I believe it when I See it. He does play dirty

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago

Well, clickbait title obviously, but the EU will have little choice but to treat US based social media similar to how TikTok is viewed in the US, i.e. operated by a potentially hostile actor.

This is IMHO long overdue, but it comes with the inevitable splintering of public opinion space a bit similar to how there is little overlap with the Chinese or Russian one (but for those the main reason was language barrier).

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

Yes.

The re-election of Trump proved they are no longer leaders of the free world. That mantle must be taken up by the EU now.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago

Not in particular. We need to be more self sufficient in general.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

As an American who never voted for the felon, yes. It's time for America to die.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Not America, just the USA

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

I say go for it. Let's see who's thinking about their ex more in a few years.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Do it. We are not going to be salvageable.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

We can hope that someone will go there and deliver some freedom. Hopefully they have some oil around too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

The Russian regime in the US is actively trying to push the EU away so that both the US and EU are weaker.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

EU can't even manage Orban, so why would one expect a viable approach to American fascist oligarchy?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Definitely. We don't need the US, Russia or China. Find partners that aren't autocratic shitholes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Please don't. We need all the help we can get.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Your country is actively attacking our democracies and is threatening war over an European oversea territory.

We need all the help we can get.

Help with what? We cannot resist for you. That is something you have to do yourself outside of social media.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Yeah. I thought that after election, the insane clown president would screw Europe by stoping support for Ukraine and supporting the russian bear instead. I didn't, in my darkest dreams expect him to actually threaten to attack his allies and let his dog fund the actual fascists in Europe, undermining the stability in the classic russian mixed warfare style.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Gotta help ourselves first. Why should they give aid for a fight we are unwilling to wage?

I hope that this is just a temporary setback in the long term. Europe and North America's relationship is a unique one that would be terrible to loose.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't blame any country that doesn't want to help us, we've been screwing over other countries for a long time. We need to fix our shit here before we reenter the global stage. We need to start producing quality things and people again, we need to have a more humanitarian posture on the world strange. Unfortunately, very few currently aligned with the power structure here is on board with that, so they need to go as well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'm pinning my hopes on Gen-Z. Boomers are dying, us Gen-X were too influenced my Boomers, Millenials... well, I really hope Gen-Z has their collective shit together by the time they're running things.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Truth be told, I don't think we have time to wait for gen z to come of age. I don't think we even have 10 years before shit gets hairy here.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I personally think it's too late, but I get jumped on for being a "doomer," so I try to stay outwardly optimistic.

But, yeah: we're doomed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I mean, I don't think we're all gonna die, but I do think life will radically change in a less than favorable direction, and some people may die at the hands of assholes.

[–] Mihies 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You mean you need tariffs and want to get rid of Greenland?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I mean Elizabeth May was shooting too low by offering that Canada take Washington, Oregon, and California. I was offended! Why not Minnesota?? We share a border and a Great Lake, and most of Canada's population already lives South of Minneapolis/St. Paul! Why weren't we invited?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe @[email protected] is speaking on behalf of America.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I certainly was!

Any EU citizens want to swap passports with me?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago

Is it time to fuck off with YouTube "jOuRnALisM"?