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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What's the point of a gender reveal party if not an excuse to use high explosives? There's no fun if something isn't being blown up in some way or form.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

i don't see the point they are trying to make, of course it's a social concept, that's why it's a social gathering. that's like going to a party for a doctoral degree and tell them its a social construct, like yeah so?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Let them organize their own gender reveal party when they are old enough to decide

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (13 children)

Gender identity is biological, and gender is not only a social construct:

https://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2013/10/07/book-excerpt-gender-more-performance

EDIT: this is clarified in the walls of text in my responses below, but to be clear here, I do not endorse a biological essentialist account of gender, by saying gender is not only a social construct and has biological components, I am disagreeing with a view that gender is just socialization / performance / etc., but this does not mean I endorse the view that gender is just your chromosomes / genitals / etc. Neither of these views work.

Please read the article I linked to, and for additional reading see Whipping Girl by Julia Serano, esp. relevant to this discussion is chapter 6, some of which I quoted in my responses below.

When I say gender identity is biological, I am talking about what Julia Serano calls "subconscious sex" which she also sometimes interchanges with "gender identity", which is basically that innate and unchanging sense of your sex / gender. What I don't mean by gender identity is the label you choose to identify with (or the concept that label represents).

From Whipping Girl:

the phrase “gender identity” is problematic because it seems to describe two potentially different things: the gender we consciously choose to identify as, and the gender we subconsciously feel ourselves to be. To make things clearer, I will refer to the latter as subconscious sex.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

these are some pretty deep viewpoints to condense into one sentence and just drop links to, can you clarify to what degree you believe gender is biological, and how that extends to transgender / nonbinary people?

[–] RandomVideos 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

If gender is just a social contruct, why do trans people want to change their gender?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

i'm not really here representing a viewpoint other than "if someone wants to identify in a way that makes them happy, they should be allowed to, regardless of the basis they claim for it"

i specifically asked in this case because, especially nonbinary people, but also gnc trans people are sometimes invalidated because of the biological argument, so i wanted clarity on the commenter's position. of course, i don't know everything, and consider my experience to be fairly gender normative for a trans person, so i'm open to learning something new, as well

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Why wouldn't they? if being withing a specific social construct makes you uncomfortable best thing to do is to change the social construct.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

A common anti-trans response would be: if gender is a social construct, then perhaps people are influenced by social media into becoming trans. This is the debunked notion of "social contagion", it assumes gender identity is subject to social influence.

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