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Probably the branch off one.
Though, speaking of time travel, I really don't understand/like the whole Harry Potter dementor (however it's spelt) lake scene in the movie where future Harry saves past Harry. How does that work? Wouldn't in an initial timeline Harry have to somehow save himself before he could travel back in time to save his past self? The way I see it, it just looks like an infinite cycle of Harry saving his past self with no origin point.
That’s called the bootstrap paradox if you want to look that up.
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I really like the nothing is changeable and travel is possible and anything you do while traveling has already happened / was already going to happen concept
I wouldn't say I "like" the idea, since it's one of the most doomed ways for a universe to be, but Greg Egan's Arrows of Time is a good exploration of this idea.
From a narrative sense the "nexus" theory is certainly the most amusing, which is probably why Terry Pratchett posited it works exactly that way on numerous occasions. It turns out that history really is kings and battles and speeches and dates, and in order for history to have actually happened someone has to observe those critical events. The things in between really don't matter. History as a whole further finds a way of happening whether people are involved in it or not, and regardless of -- or possibly despite -- anyone attempting to hinder, help, or change it. The key events will always happen eventually. All anyone can do is slightly influence how long it takes for them to do so, which is why there are so many boring spans in history where it seemed like nothing really happened; That's because it didn't. Possibly until some history monk noticed, and came along to pull out whatever spanner was holding up the works.
Its a one way trip. You can never go back to the original universe.
This is my biggest issue with multiverse time travel in popular culture. Somehow they always travel back and forth between 2 of Infinite timelines
Holy existential horror, Batman! By time traveling, you've just caused an entire universe full of new alternate-timeline versions of people to pop into existence. What happened to the timeline you left? It must still exist. You couldn't have been the only consciousness that was experiencing it. To think otherwise is some extreme solipsism. Gosh, did some other time traveler create the timeline you left by entering it? For that matter, are you actually a duplicate, having just popped into existence with the memory of having time-traveled, but the timeline was created by another time traveler?
Alternatively, perhaps it's another timeline out of an infinite number of possibilities that all co-exist? Yikes! That means there's an infinity of each person across the multiverse. Therefore, you could just murder everybody within reach, and time travel back before your started the rampage. The lives in a particular timeline don't matter, there are an infinity more. I think Rick & Morty did an episode with that premise.
Time travel does exist, but you can only go forward. You just need to approach the speed of light relative to a frame of reference, and you will travel a shorter time span compared to it.
My belief is if you went to the past your actions would fully effect the future, no branches or anything else of course this will create paradoxes but if your a time traveller you will still exist even if you prevent your birth, if then you go back to the future there will be no record of your existence.
Hope that makes sense.
I subscribe to multiverse theory. It's probably the safest route and probably most likely.
In either scenario, I'm more interested in where the matter you're made of will come from:
Branch off probably
I like the idea that the timeline you exist in is that and can still be determined but everything that happened in the pasr is set in stone. Future time travel is not possible.
- You branch off into another timeline and your actions make no difference to the previous timeline
New actions, new consequences.
This. Time traveling is a purely selfish endeavour.
Go back and kill Hitler? Congratulations! Only you understand what changed. Doesn't help the 7 billion people you left in your original timeline.
But you now get to live in a cool alternate reality where the soviet union clashed directly with the allied forces as the axis never existed.
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Kirov reporting.
The current scientific theory is that time exists across space in cones that would require one to move faster than the speed of light to alter. Going to go with that one for now since I have no idea personally.
Light cones aren't exactly literal cones of time, they are an abstraction to help us understand the mathematics of time and space. (Assuming you are talking about Penrose diagrams.)
Yes, it was light cones. I was half remembering the uni module I did on the philosophy of time a decade ago. We spent more time on the grandfather paradox than the actual science!
Whichever one is objectively correct based on empirical evidence.
Fun fact: time travel does exist, and I am myself a time traveler. The fact that I'm travelling at one second per second along with everyone else is just a minor detail.
Imagine if someone just naturally traveled through time at like... 1.0005 seconds per second... What would that look like? Would we be able to tell? Would they be able to tell? Would their perception be different?
This is a Relativity thing, isn't it? Like the astronaut twins sort of...
That's exactly like being a bit closer to the bottom of a steep gravity well.
Yes, we could tell if they took a precise clock with them. In fact, we have to account for an even smaller discrepancy in order for GPS to work: we here stuck further down in Earth's gravity well travel through time and extra ten milliseconds or so per year vs. an orbiting satellite.
Whatever it is, I don't believe paradoxes are possible (other than language ones that basically just confuse any attempts to resolve a statement or set of statements to true or false without breaking any physical laws or causality).
That said, I don't think an unstable time loop would necessarily be impossible. Eg, you go back in time and kill your grandfather before your father is conceived, which results in you never existing in the timeline, which then means no one is there to go back in time and kill your grandfather, which means the loop disappears and the timeline snaps back to the version where you do go back, and it continually alternates from there.
Not sure if any future outside of the unstable loop would exist, I think that would depend on if there's a higher dimension of time that these loops could play out over.
Or, if everything experiences the same present at the same time, it's also possible that after the first loop, it wouldn't go back to resolve the whole "killer pops out of literally nowhere" because it was in the past and no time traveler is bringing the timeline back to there, so it's all in the past. Though I think in that case, you wouldn't disappear after killing your grandfather. You'd just be an enigma that would require going outside of time to understand the origin of.
Tbh though I'm 99% sure time travel just isn't possible (paradoxes or not), just a fun thing to think about. And no, I don't consider quantum effects being symmetrical in time to be time travel, they are just cases where you can reverse cause and effect and still have a valid cause and effect sequence.
Wormholes. Travel some place faster than light and see light from the past from your source of travel when you arrive, travel again back to your original spot and theoretically you travel backwards in time to before the light from the past that you just saw was even produced yet. Might work the same for just seeing the future if you glimpse through a wormhole that leads to someplace in the future by doing an Allie oop to further into the future someplace far away, then back to someplace in your future but your destinations past. Speed and gravity both impact time. A wormhole fits that description to a T.
Only 1 timeline matters. You're own. Everything else becomes fluid around your timeline when you time travel.
The timeline IS fragile, but the whole of existence is not in regards to time travel. If you go into the past and change it, the timeline changes, but only because the original timeline had you going back and changing it. You can see yourself. You can interact with yourself, but if everything is exactly as it should be you really don't want to go mucking around and find yourself in a world where the south lost the civil war but things are thousands of times worse and you killed the ancesotor of the inventor of time travel after breaking your machine and can no longer access the timeline to fix any issues you may have caused.
You’ve already taken said actions but just didn’t know about it so nothing changes
12 Monkeys did this one perfectly.
You can't change things because if you undid the thing, then there wouldn't be a reason to undo the thing. If you go back in time, you are just going to do what you already did because that is in the past.
If you go back in time, you are just going to do what you already did because that is in the past.
Only if the Universe is deterministic. If not, random rolls having different outcomes may completely change the course of events and decisions made by people.
Edit: I see I'm being downvoted, so I'll explain further, if the Universe is deterministic means everything will be the same any time you relive the same time segment, if not, it means even the weather can be different due to aggregation of butterfly effect of different random outcomes in the Universe, and weather being different is already big enough change to be able to influence decisions and course of events. And I'm not meaning weather in the exact same spot you time-traveled to. Even if you restored the exact same state of Universe at some snapshot, if the Universe isn't deterministic, various random events happening after that point in time can have different outcomes which will aggregate and lead to even more different outcomes in future. Weather might be different the next day and because of that you decided to hide from rain in cafe and met someone there which can completely change your life.
I'd totally forgotten about 12 monkeys. I had that VHS of this when I was 11 or 12 years old, I probably watched it 30 times and I never fully understood it. 25 years later I think it's time for me to rewatch this
I think time travel as a being who perceives one dimensional time linearly is not possible. And for any entity who doesn't perceive time linearly it would be no different from traveling in a spacial dimension. It's just travel. Anything that entity does in that point is a permanent fixture to the entities that perceive it linearly.
So yes, if someone could travel in time in the SciFi sense, they wouldn't be able to change anything in their past experience (direct experience or prior to their perception, but in their event line) because that's already part of that point in spacetime to anyone who experiences it linearly.
But also, it's likely that time is not one-dimensional just like we know space is not only three-dimensional. So it is possible that you could end up in a separate "branch" of time that your past self from your perspective will never experience (directly or as past events), because it's not the same point in spacetime as the event in your direct past timeline. But it's not like there is a specific set of "branches". They likely don't branch off from a single trunk into the other dimension(s) or if they did "branch", it was at the same time as all other "branches", the beginning of the universe, not as specific events occur like in SciFi. And the changes you make in those branches were always part of those branches to people who will perceive the future of that timeline.
Like in Black Science, I think time travel would fuck with the fabric of reality. Make it shreddy.
I do not believe in nexus events; there is a personal reason (experience ) I don't expect anyone else to believe based on something I experienced but I don't. ETA: Unfortunately, everything has happened already, and I was very angry about it.
Just watched Arrival again yesterday and that's my other guess. More like your choice of "you have already done it, you can't alter the timeline" but can't go outside your lifetime, time doesn't work the way we think and we can perceive other "times" because they aren't really linear, just some quirk of our perception makes it seem that way, you really exist concurrently all along your existence.
But if some machine was designed to take you before or after your lifetime, it would tear at the fabric of reality (lifetime not exactly the correct word but your existence that has a beginning and end of some sort).
I like the one where the motion of the universe is not accounted for, so the travelers drop into empty space. But someone figures out how to use that to travel through space.
Time Wars are fun though. Each prime timeline moving others toward them.
