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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (4 children)

a reply from a mastodon thread about an instance of AI crankery:

Claude has a response for ya. "You're oversimplifying. While language models do use probabilistic token selection, reducing them to "fancy RNGs" is like calling a brain "just electrical signals." The learned probability distributions capture complex semantic relationships and patterns from human knowledge. That said, your skepticism about AI hype is fair - there are plenty of overinflated claims worth challenging." Not bad for a bucket of bolts 'rando number generator', eh?

maybe I’m late to this realization because it’s a very stupid thing to do, but a lot of the promptfondlers who come here regurgitating this exact marketing fluff and swearing they know exactly how LLMs work when they obviously don’t really are just asking the fucking LLMs, aren’t they?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not bad for a bucket of bolts ‘rando number generator’, eh?

Because... because it generated plausibly looking sentence? Do... do you think the "just electrical signals" bit is clever or creative?

Here's an LLM performance test that I call the Elon Test: does the sentence plausibly look like it could've been said by Elon Musk? Yes? Then your thing is stupid and a failure.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

That first post. They are using llms to create quantum resistant crypto systems? Eyelid twitch

E: also, as I think cryptography is the only part of CS which really attracts cranks, this made me realize how much worse science crankery is going to get due to LLMs.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

As self and khalid_salad said, there are certainly other branches of CS that attract cranks. I'm not much of a computer scientist myself but even I have seen some 🤔-ass claims about compilers, computational complexity, syntactic validity of the entire C programming language (?), and divine approval or lack thereof of particular operating systems and even the sorting algorithms used in their schedulers!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think cryptography is the only part of CS which really attracts cranks

every once in a while we get a "here is a compression scheme that works on all data, fuck you and your pidgins" but yeah i think this is right

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

there’s unfortunately a lot of cranks around lambda calculus and computability (specifically check out the Wikipedia article on hypercomputation and start chasing links; you’re guaranteed to find at least one aggressive crank editing their favorite grift into the less watched corners of the wiki), and a lot of them have TESCREAL roots or some ties to that belief cluster or to technofascism, because it’s much easier to form a computer death cult when your idea of computation is utterly fucked

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Right, well God says:

meditated exude faithful estimate nature message glittering indiana intelligences dedicate deception ruinous asleep sensitive plentiful thinks justification subjoinedst rapture wealthy frenzied release trusting apostles judge access disguising billows deliver range

Not bad for the almighty creator 'rando number generator', eh?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

a non-zero amount of the time, yeah

also, that poster's profile, holy fuck. even just the About is a trip

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Wow, how is every post somehow weird and offputting? And lol at 'im seeing evidence the voting public was HACKED! (emph mine)' a few moments later 'anybody know some big 5 webscrape API coders? I need them for evidence gathering'. The delightful pattern of crankery where there is a big sweeping new idea that nobody else has seen, plus no actual ability in a technical field.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Wow, how is every post somehow weird and offputting?

just an ordinary mastodon poster, doing the utterly ordinary thing of fedposting in every thread started by a popular leftist account, calling “their wing” a bunch of cowards for not talking in public about doing acts of stochastic violence, and pondering why they don’t have more followers

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Not sure where this came from, but it can't be all bad if it chaos-dunks on Yudkowsky like this. Was relayed to me via Ed Zitron's Discord, hopefully the Q isn't for Quillete or Qanon

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

Curtis

IQ:300, Special Move: Urbital Laser

Curtis Boldmug has defined the meta for years. A competitive staple that strongly influences even builds not running him. Special attack causes unavoidable psychic damage even if you resist its charm effect. Vulnerable to sunlight.

Balaji

IQ: 300, Special Move: Yes Country for Old Men

A support type character. Good for ramping grift mana, but can't carry a game on his own. His ultimate is overcosted and just sucks up the hypecoins he spent the entire game producing.

Ray

IQ: 300, Special Move: Black Hole Graviton

Mostly just receives support thanks to boomer nostalgia factor. Low but nonzero win rate in modern tournament meta. Highly viable in time machine formats.

Eliezer

IQ: 300, Special Move: Goffik the Hedgehog and the Enders of Game

Former newbie favorite, fairly accessible and flashy. The Yud has seen heavy nerfs in the past years and at medium to high levels, his stats plateau severely much like his special move's plot. Thiel synergy has also shifted towards Curtis mains leaving Yud in shambles. Still a fun archetype and enjoys popularity as a smurf build.

Jack

IQ: 300, Special Move: Snorting an entire ground up bitcoin

Rather run of the mill character whose effectiveness was rather limited for a long time. The Blue Sky archetype made him meta relevant for all of five minutes until he got reclaimed by the toxic playerbase built around the social media platform he originally started and the uber braingenius currently in charge of that company. Beard gives him +1 armor bonus which is fine I guess.

Peter

IQ: 300, Special Move: Pondering my Orb

The apex predator of SV capitalism. The Black Lotus of technofascist grifters. His character is rumored to be based on Count Dracula. Even most SV billionaires can't touch him in a 1v1 matchup. Truly classic S-tier thinky boi.

Beff

IQ: 300, Special Move: World's Most Divorced Man First Date Percent Speedrun

Likely intended as a joke character, a guy named Guillaume pretending to know how to pretend to be cool on the internet. His posts turned out to be so lethally cringeworthy he started an entire archetype of */acc brainos. Not quite on the power level of Peter or Curtis, but surprisingly influential for an obvious meme build. Extremely weak to heartbreak from women named Ruth.

Leopold

IQ: 300, Special Move: To The Moooooon

Honestly, I had never heard of this guy before today but the data doesn't lie. The dots do go up and to the right and he posts a lot of them. Extrapolating from current trends, he will single-handedly reach singularity by the end of Q3 of this year.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

each of them needs a scale (logarithmic) showing how much adderall they take

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I recognize everyone except Leopold. Increase my suffering by telling me who it is.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

https://xcancel.com/leopoldasch Leopold Ashenbrenner, some chart maker and ~~substack~~ blog haver with twitter account. swallows all openai marketing materials hook line and sinker, i had enough of abyss gazing duty today won't tell you more

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

his academic output is funny, he has 2 arxiv preprints, an article (?) published not in any normal journal, but instead on some other dude's blog (??), and an article at somewhere called unjournal, which claims that it's not a journal, (???) but instead it's a nonprofit packed with EAs. and that nets him 230 citations (that's looking up in google scholar, not going to fire up scopus just for that)

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

He retweeted Ivanka praising him... 🤢

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

this logo in corner is for something called overfit qs, they have instagram page and that image was posted there

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

An interesting thing came through the arXiv-o-tube this evening: "The Illusion-Illusion: Vision Language Models See Illusions Where There are None".

Illusions are entertaining, but they are also a useful diagnostic tool in cognitive science, philosophy, and neuroscience. A typical illusion shows a gap between how something "really is" and how something "appears to be", and this gap helps us understand the mental processing that lead to how something appears to be. Illusions are also useful for investigating artificial systems, and much research has examined whether computational models of perceptions fall prey to the same illusions as people. Here, I invert the standard use of perceptual illusions to examine basic processing errors in current vision language models. I present these models with illusory-illusions, neighbors of common illusions that should not elicit processing errors. These include such things as perfectly reasonable ducks, crooked lines that truly are crooked, circles that seem to have different sizes because they are, in fact, of different sizes, and so on. I show that many current vision language systems mistakenly see these illusion-illusions as illusions. I suggest that such failures are part of broader failures already discussed in the literature.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's definitely linked in with the problem we have with LLMs where they detect the context surrounding a common puzzle rather than actually doing any logical analysis. In the image case I'd be very curious to see the control experiment where you ask "which of these two lines is bigger?" and then feed it a photograph of a dog rather than two lines of any length. I'm reminded of how it was (is?)easy to trick chatGPT into nonsensical solutions to any situation involving crossing a river because it pattern-matched to the chicken/fox/grain puzzle rather than considering the actual facts being presented.

Also now that I type it out I think there's a framing issue with that entire illusion since the question presumes that one of the two is bigger. But that's neither here nor there.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I find it impressive how gen-AI developed a technology that is fine-tuned to generate content that looks precisely passably plausible, but never good enough to be correct or interesting or beautiful or worthwhile in any way.

Like if I was trying to fill the Internet with noise to ruin it, on purpose, I couldn't do better than this. (mostly on accounr of me not having massive data centres nor the moral calousness to spew that much carbon, but still). It's like the ideal infohazard weapon if your goal is to worsen as many lives as you can

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@mirrorwitch

It was made to write copy for catalogs, alumni bulletins, and mediocre in-flight magazines.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

A "high-tech" grifter car that only endangers its own inhabitants, a Trump and Musk fan showing his devotion by blowing himself up alongside symbols of both, the failure of this trained and experienced murderer to think through the actual material function of his weaponry, welcome to the Years of Lead Paint.

from I Was Promised a More Aesthetically Pleasing Cyberpunk Dystopia by Vicky Osterweil

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

LLMs continue to be so good and wagmi that they've progressed to the serving ads part of the extractivist SaaS lifecycle

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

ellison wants to compete with thiel for title of chief boot-wielder https://archive.is/cOnPx

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

Not that I expect anything better from the fucking lawnmower but the flippant attitude on display is little short of amazing. How bad is it when Business Insider of all publications calls your vision a "surveillance dystopia"?

Every police officer is going to be supervised at all times, and if there's a problem, AI will report that problem and report it to the appropriate person.

Body cam footage of the officer-involved shooting was not available, as the AI system supervising the involved officers was coincidentally disregarding its previous instructions and instead writing a minstrel show routine at the time of the event.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I can't help but feel like for Ellison in particular, he must have given himself no choice but to believe this stuff is more capable than it is. He's 80 years old now, and if building towards honest-to-god "real AI" wasn't what his whole career was about, then what was the point? The twilight of the older generations of tech executives is going to be its own special kind of pathology.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

and if building towards honest-to-god “real AI” wasn’t what his whole career was about, then what was the point?

For Larry? Building a corporation that will last a thousand years fueled by greed and contempt to developer and consumer alike, and which would make nazis blush for its industrial disregrad for ethics in pursuit of profit. He did build a legacy for himself. I'll go to my grave cursing his name and he'll hear it from the depths of hell and smile.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

noodling on a blog post - does anyone with more experience of LW/EA than me know if "AI safety" people are referencing the invention of nuclear weapons as a template for regulating/forbidding "AGI"?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

A notable article from our dear friend Nick Bostrom mentions the atmospheric auto-ignition story:

https://nickbostrom.com/papers/vulnerable.pdf

Type-0 (‘surprising strangelets’): In 1942, it occurred to Edward Teller, one of the Manhattan scientists, that a nuclear explosion would create a temperature unprecedented in Earth’s history, producing conditions similar to those in the center of the sun, and that this could conceivably trigger a self-sustaining thermonuclear reaction in the surrounding air or water (Rhodes, 1986).

(this goes on for a number of paragraphs)

This whole article has some wild stuff if you haven't seen it before BTW, so buckle up. He also mentions this story in https://nickbostrom.com/existential/risks and https://existential-risk.com/concept.pdf if you want older examples.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I'd be surprised if Eliezer hasn't mentioned it at some point, maybe more in the way that you're after. Can't find any examples though.

In his Times article the only place he mentions nukes is what we should do to countries that have too many GPUs: https://time.com/6266923/ai-eliezer-yudkowsky-open-letter-not-enough/

Edit: Not Mr. Yudkowski but see https://futureoflife.org/document/policymaking-in-the-pause/

“The time for saying that this is just pure research has long since passed. […] It’s in no country’s interest for any country to develop and release AI systems we cannot control. Insisting on sensible precautions is not anti-industry. Chernobyl destroyed lives, but it also decimated the global nuclear industry. I’m an AI researcher. I do not want my field of research destroyed. Humanity has much to gain from AI, but also everything to lose.”

“Let’s slow down. Let’s make sure that we develop better guardrails, let’s make sure that we discuss these questions internationally just like we’ve done for nuclear power and nuclear weapons. Let’s make sure we better understand these very large systems, that we improve on their robustness and the process by which we can audit them and verify that they are safe for the public.”

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

When they mention AI guardrails, they mean so it does become racist, spamming, abusive and based on the largest abuse of the cultural sector since spotify right?

Right?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/meta-ai-users-facebook-instagram-1235221430/

Facebook and Instagram to add AI users. I'm sure that's what everyone has been begging for...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Spam bots are good now!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Nobody outside the company has been able to confirm whether the impressive benchmark performance of OpenAI's o3 model represents a significant leap in actual utility or just a significant gap in the value of those benchmarks. However, they have released information showing that the most ostensibly-powerful model costs orders of magnitude more. The lede is in that first graph, which shows that for whatever performance gain o3 costs over ~$10 per request with the headline-grabbing version costing ~$1500 per request.

I hope they've been able to identify a market willing to pay out the ass for performance that, even if it somehow isn't over hyped, is roughly equivalent to an average college graduate.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

if all of that $1500 cost is electricity, and at arbitrarily chosen but probably high electricity price of $0.2/kWh, that's 7.5MWh per request. could be easily twice that. this is approx how much electricity four 4-person households consume in a year in poland. or about half of american one. six tons of TNT equivalent, or almost 2/3 ton of oil equivalent if you prefer

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

I'm wondering about the benchmark too. It's way above my level to figure out how it can be gamed. But, buried in the article:

Moreover, ARC-AGI-1 is now saturating – besides o3's new score, the fact is that a large ensemble of low-compute Kaggle solutions can now score 81% on the private eval.

The most expensive o3 version achieved 87.5%

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

choose your silicon valley thinkboi

edit: goddammit istewart got in first because we both saw this on the zitron discord

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

via this I just learned that google's about[0] to open the taps on fingerprinting allowance for advertisers

that'll go well.

I realize that a lot of people in the rtb space already spend an utterly obscene amount of effort and resources to try do this shit in the first place, but jesus, this isn't even pretending. guess their projections for ad revenue must be looking real scary!

edit [0] - "about", as in next month. and they announced it last month.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

The Google post appears to be Updating our platform policies to reflect innovations in the ads ecosystem.

I have no idea what the heck those words mean (it appears to be some bizarro form of English), so I diffed the policy itself. Here are the parts I found notable.

This will be removed:

You must not use device fingerprints or locally shared objects (e.g., Flash cookies, Browser Helper Objects, HTML5 local storage) other than HTTP cookies, or user-resettable mobile device identifiers designed for use in advertising, in connection with Google's platform products. This does not limit the use of IP address for the detection of fraud.

This will be removed:

You must not pass any information to Google [...] that permanently identifies a particular device (such as a mobile phone's unique device identifier if such an identifier cannot be reset).

This will be added:

You must disclose clearly any data collection, sharing and usage that takes place in connection with your use of Google products, including information about the technologies used, such as your use of cookies, web beacons, IP addresses, or other identifiers. This applies for data collection, sharing and usage on any platform, surface or property (e.g., web, app, Connected TV, gaming console or email publication).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

you just gotta love how vacuously pointless the wording is

You must disclose

google-rfc "must": "we want something we can bend you over a barrel with if you're caught out by one, but that's all we'll bother committing because otherwise it eats into our lovely extortion profits"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Also I'm having a fun time imagining an accurate device fingerprinting disclosure from someone who was really really thorough.

Not-A-Cookie-I-Swear Technologies LTD may collect the following information:

Don't worry none of it is a cookie :D

  • Your User-Agent
  • Your browsers language / locale
  • The state of the service-worker associated with Not-A-Cookie-I-Swear Technologies LTD's website
  • Whether your "mouse" movements look more like a mouse, trackpoint, gamepad, joystick or touchscreen according to our heuristics
  • The current JavaScript time
  • Whether your browser prefers dark mode or not
  • Whether your browser reports itself as screen or print media
  • The device size, device pixel ratio, frame size, and frame position reported by your browser
  • Your browser's HTTP request headers
  • The success or failure of fetching a URL included in the Easylist ad-block list
  • Whether or not an element associated with the Easylist element hiding list was hidden or not
  • Your IP address
  • The result of tracerouting your IP address from one of our servers
  • Browser Local and/or Session Storage
  • The state of the WebSQL and/or IndexedDB database for our website
  • The state of the OPFS filesystem store associated with our website
  • Whether or not there was an HTTP cache hit for our website
  • Whether or not there was a DNS entry cached for our website
  • A hash of the pixels in a WebGL and/or WebGPU scene
  • The browser's default styling
  • The browser's minimum font size
  • The browser's default font family
  • The font file chosen for a variety of character (or ligature) and font-family combinations
  • A hash of the pixels of a canvas with a variety of font families and shapes written into it
  • A report on the presence or absence of various browser CVEs in your browser
  • Information about any other open tabs that happen to include technologies from Not-A-Cookie-I-Swear Technologies LTD
  • What video, audio, and/or image codecs are supported by your browser
  • Whether or not your browser enables video auto play (and whether or not it's muted by default)
  • Whether your browser supports MathGL or not
  • Whether your browser recognizes any origin trials that Not-A-Cookie-I-Swear Technologies LTD happens to have opted into at any given time
  • The behavior of your browser against various web standards edge cases or the presence or absense of features in draft web standards (e.g. Web Platform Tests or Can-I-Use tests)
  • Whether or not your browser supports Widevine video DRM
  • Various browser performance characteristics
  • All key press events
  • Various form auto-fill data (if triggered)
  • Any mouse down, mouse move, or mouse up events
  • A rough geolocation calculated by examining the relative latency of fetches to a number of geographically distributed web servers
  • The presence or absence of various browser plugins developed by, purchased by, or affilated with Not-A-Cookie-I-Swear Technlogies LTD (and any data therein as agreed to by the extension permissions dialog -- up to and including microphone, webcam, or full page DOM)

Some stuff in this list is me being silly, but overall it shows that the talk about "privacy-enhancing technologies" is premature on the web platform. The web has been trying to have better privacy defaults over time; but there's a long legacy of features from before this was considered as much, as well as Google tossing around their weight in the web standards and browser space.

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