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[–] [email protected] 124 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thats one of the reasons i'm not having kids. I have a decent life by any metric but I had to work my ass off and face a tonne of resistance in my career. It always feels like I'm playing catch up with the cost of everything going up and up to the point where I'm just exhausted and depressed. Like, what is the point of living?! it honestly feels like theres just nothing left to enjoy anymore, everything has been monetized to hell and back. They told us as kids that you can be anything you want when you grow up, the future is bright and if you work hard you will be rewarded and its just not true. I can't do that to another person, these problems are only getting worse with no end in sight.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That's the point? The left get demoralized and the right can't be because they have no morals. Its part of the reason right wingers tend to have a dozen children, it's quite literally biblical drown them in numbers bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Idiocracy is a documentary

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 month ago (7 children)

It absolutely isnt

President Comacho has a problem, finds the most qualified person to fix it, does so (reluctantly) and then dosen't take credit. This so divorced from reality that it should be concidred high fantasy.

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[–] [email protected] 107 points 1 month ago (8 children)

garbage health care

mass shootings

violent racism

[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Look at this guy who thinks the USA invented racism and holds a monopoly on it.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago

The comic is very America-centric if you look at the problems mentioned in totality.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago

In Europe it's just sparkling "let them down in the Mediterranean and/or make sure they stay in their own neighborhoods."

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was going to say... I don't see the UK anywhere on this map

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I mean, the UK has 2 out of 3 of those. And most countries have the violent racism.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

RIP Alaska, Hawaii, and Michigan's Upper Peninsula

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The US is far from the only country with violent racism. In terms of healthcare, the privatization. The Canadian healthcare system is being increasingly enshittified by conservatives up here, too.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If I ever decide to have kids then I'm adopting because I can't in good conscience bring a life into this shitty world

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Given the glut of unwanted children from our abortion prohibition, we'll be needing a lot of new adoptive parents in the near future.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Babies get adopted quickly. It's the older children who need homes.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 month ago (2 children)

We didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the world's been turning.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago (10 children)

The catch-22 is that if the people with environmental values don't have kids, those values aren't passed on to the next generation (unless they become teachers or media personalities).

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You don’t need to have kids to pass on values. The basic premise of your statement doesn’t hold up.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Well, like I mentioned you still need some sort of interaction with kids. Or maybe influence their parents enough to have them indirectly pass on those values you imparted on them. But I still think that if the smartest, kindest, most compassionate people among us stop having kids... well then that's not great for that next generation. I've just always felt that giving up one of the primary factors of life, reproduction, seems very defeatist. But on the other hand, if someone genuinely doesn't want children then by all means don't.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I know at least one friend that wants to adopt/foster once they're ready, instead of having biological children.

The justification was similar to what you said, where they want to pass on their values / legacy, but don't care about the genetic side

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Any society that doesn't impart those values across the board to its citizens will devolve into shit regardless.

It's basically just math.

People with zero values are going to fuck like rabbits and people with values aren't.

If trash family has 5 kids they can't take care of and a dad that leaves, that's at least 4 really mad poor kids that are going to blame a lot on somesuch minority for their problems in 18 years.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

What is the acceptable level of tragedy to impart upon a non-consenting progeny? I vote for zero

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

You'd have to be immortal, first. Most kids are gonna live to see their own parents pass.

Tragedy is a part of life.

It's easily avoidable tragedy, unaddressed by those who could do something about it, that's the problem.

Even worse, there's potentially extinction level tragedy happening right now, going unaddressed by those who can do something about it.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (9 children)

100% of scientists agree that not-having-kids will solve our climate change crisis in one generation.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (8 children)

DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN REPEAT DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN

THIS MESSAGE IS FOR ALL RESIDENTS OF PLANET EARTH

NO ONE NEEDS YOU TO BIRTH THEM

ABORT. ABORT. ABORT.

WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE, THE PLANET IS BURNING, THEY WILL NOT LEAD GOOD LIVES. IT'S NOT WORTH IT. PULL OUT BEFORE YOU NUT HOLY CHRIST PLEASE DO NOT HAVE KIDS

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

This is mostly copied over from my recent comments elsewhere, but it is very relevant here too.

By 2030 we are going to be 40% over capacity on fresh water resources globally. and 40% of arable land has already been depleted, and 95% will be by 2050.

And that's just water and food.

Once arctic ice sheet coverage gets below 1,000,000 square kilometres, the planet will be absorbing more heat than it reflects and this is called a Blue Ocean Event.

The BOE will trigger the Clathrate Gun which will cause seabeds to rapidly realease fuck tons of methane, cooking the earth in it's own atmosphere.

2024 Arctic sea ice likely reached its annual minimum extent of 4.28 million square kilometers.

Greenhouse gas emissions are still increasing and fuelled by climate change, the world's oceans have broken temperature records every single day over the past year.

So it's basically a race between whether the drought and famine kill us all first, or the BOE setting off the Clathrate Gun will.

Either way, it is unlikely the human race survives the century. Creating more people to suffer in this dying world, is stupid and cruel and is only going to speed up our demise.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Well. Fuck.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Please consider adoption as an alternative if you are in a stable situation and want children.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)

At this point I think the GOP are just taunting people who won't bring kids into this. Jokes on them though, if theyre having kids from some sort obligation and not to love and properly nurture them it's just bad news for everyone involved. Have fun with all that trauma.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Where do you think we get new Republicans from?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Generational trauma. It's all just generational trauma.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Craziest thing about this graphic is that it leaves so many major issues off while also covering so much horseshit.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I mean it's clearly a pandemic era comic. The whole no toilet paper thing and deadly viruses.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Was gonna say, wheres the fascism going retro?

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Confused the US with the entire world again, honest mistake.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (9 children)

When in human history was ever a good time to have children?

Is there an objective "this was the best year/decade/century"?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That’s the neat part, there isn’t!

But being more serious: I think I can express the feeling of things being particularly worse now in a way that isn’t just recency bias.

Sure, over time technology has improved and that’s generally speaking allowed for better standards of living, at least for the people at the right end of that technology. (Not so great if you’re being conquered because someone shows up with guns for example.) So you could look at the past and say it was worse because materially things like food availability and medicine have become better over time.

But key to this was that all of this was a struggle of humans over nature. To the extent things were bad, there were tangible things we could do to improve.

These days, so many of our problems are self-inflicted and technology and economic development mostly makes them worse. Climate change is the obvious big one, but then there’s stuff like:

  • Weapons have become increasingly destructive and centrally usable. A small number of people can cause a lot more damage than they ever could in the past.

  • Surveillance technology invades our privacy in a way that’s unprecedented in human history.

  • Automation, communications, and transportation technology have made workers less and less powerful and therefore more subject to abuse and artificial poverty. This is one of the more messed up things about capitalism. Technology gets better and rather than getting the benefits of that progress, it actually hurts a lot of people.

  • Advances in science and technology, particularly data science, allow the powerful to hyper-optimize the bad things they were always doing or enables them to do things they’ve wanted to do.

  • A financialized economy creates economic catastrophes where people go homeless or starve without any actual changes to material conditions. The numbers got screwed up or the investors panicked and now everything sucks for no reason?

  • More generally, we can produce enough of the necessities of life for everyone, but capitalism ensures that those necessities won’t make it to people. Capitalism depends on scarcity. If you had a house you wouldn’t need to pay a landlord. If you had food you wouldn’t need to pay food companies. If you had both you wouldn’t need to go work and put up with awful conditions. We’ve solved our most fundamental problems and yet because of the interests of the system and those in power, that progress gets held back.

In the past, even if things were rough now, you could maybe look forward to them improving. Now it feels like the walls are closing in. Unless we actively do something about it, things are going to get worse for most people as more and more wealth accumulates in private hands, as we become subject to increasingly powerful forms of control, and as the powerful destroy the environment we need to live.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why do you think the politicians that are accelerating inequality are the same politicians that are trying to outlaw abortion?

They want babies because they need more workers to distribute inequality and produce more wealth for the shareholders. Foster kids are less likely to go to college, so they’re perfect fuel for the machine.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I'm Gen X, but cusp with Millennial. I said at 15 or 16 I'd never have kids & stuck with it. I'm more resolute than ever & feel like I would have massive guilt if I had caved. I felt the world was too fucked up back in the 90s. I wonder how my younger self would deal with the world today.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I'm on the other side of the generational gap (nearly gen x, but millennial), and I was terrified during my late teens/early 20s of becoming a parent. I could not imagine raising a child the way I was living paycheque to paycheque, if I had a paycheque at all....

That feeling never went away, and I still wouldn't know how I could possibly afford that. I decided in my mid 20s that children would be a decision I would leave up to my wife (wherever I had a wife to make the decision). I was/am instinctually driven to want them (a feeling I mostly disregard), but given the state of the world and my own financial situation, I can't say that I want to force any intelligent being, especially one that is my offspring, to suffer through a lifetime of this shit like I have been forced to so far.

I didn't ask to be here. If someone had given me a choice, I would have probably opted out of gestures all of this.

I'm currently in a long term relationship, and we're planning on signing the papers next year, so soon I'll have someone I can legitimately call my wife. She is very much on the side of "never have kids". So that's my decision as well.

Instinctual drive isn't enough to cause me to overlook how things are going. I love my (non-existent) children too much, than to force them into living a life in these circumstances. Fuck no.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (7 children)

lol, yes Millennials and Gen Z are trying so much harder to fix the situation by voting for change… ohhh wait

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/yes-trump-improved-young-men-drew-young-women-rcna179019

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yeah I’m afraid that the lesson is that Gen Z is not actually the future, they are going to repeat the past. What makes me sad is that they should have been the future but social media made sure that didn’t happen.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Did social media make sure that didn't happen, or did the fact that virtually every generation ultimately repeats the mistakes of the one before it ensure that didn't happen?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can be damned sure the crazy fundamentalists are gonna have a shit ton of kids. And some of those will vote.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

No, noone is under any obligation to do so.

Remember what they say on airplanes. Secure your own mask before helping others.

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