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Man shoots through door at would-be burglars posing as maintenance workers (youtu.be)

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That was quite a gamble.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The shooting, or saying he wasn't home? Seems like the shooting was pretty justified given they were actively trying to break down his door.

[+] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

For sure a concern, but still seems like a reasonable action given that those guys didn't look like they wanted to sell Tupperware.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

It's a definite possibility and so is the resulting liability. However, unless that concrete is a facade or otherwise very thin it will probably stop handgun rounds up to even the .45 caliber size. If he's using defensive rounds (hollow points), then penetration through concrete is reduced even further as they are made to expand and dump their kinetic energy within a very short distance after the expansion is triggered. The bullet damage to the wall is something he will certainly be liable for though, also his new screen door lol.

See the following for an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFwntHIWjaw

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I'm wondering if this is why they shot out their door at an angle instead of straight out. Not very likely for the bullets to go through concrete, but the door across the way? Yeah, a definite possibility. If the guy had that much presence of mind in that situation then good on him.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And one of them had a gun in their hand.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

The one cop said there were shell casings outside, so they were shooting too

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The gamble was shooting through the door and possibly hitting someone in the apartment across the way.

Hopefully that cholo got perforated and nobody else.

[+] [email protected] -12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No need to use racial terms

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You don't even know what "cholo" means.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's a reference to a subculture, not an ethnicity. Though most cholos are probably hispanic, being a 'cholo' isn't down to your racial genetics, it's a subculture.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It meant someone who has indigenous ancestry.. ie, a racial term, since there are many American indigenous ethnicities.

You could argue it doesn't mean that anymore, but do you often hear it being applied to non-Hispanic people?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

What do you think it means?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Always thought that this was how my fellow Mexicans called their gang members by but hey, thanks for caring about our gang member's feelings.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholo

It's a racial term. You could certainly argue it has been successfully co-opted though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cabron! That wiki page clearly states ("gangster" in Mexico). It is a stereotype we use all the time and have no issues with. Same as you using "white men" to describe, I don't know, caucasians? I don't feel offended by it and so shouldn't you on behalf of "mexican looking latino americanos who commit crimes".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not really the same thing, I think. Though one could certainly note with some interest how all common slurs equating white ethnicities with crime have fallen out of style. In the 1920's I'm sure we'd have had all kinds of ways to call someone an Irish criminal or whatever.

The only one I can even think of is if you called some vaguely Italian crook a goombah or Guido, and the first one would probably just confuse people who didn't watch a bunch of Mafia movies.

And I'm not offended by the usage, just the pretense that this racial term isn't a racial term. Not a huge fan of either intellectual dishonesty or just casual ignorance in general.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Might depend on the area but neither I nor any other Hispanic or Latino I know see cholo as a racial insult or slur (granted I'm a tiny sample size). It's more of a descriptor than anything in my experience.

Source: am Mexican with native ancestry.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the shooting was pretty justified given they were actively trying to break down his door.

Especially in texas.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

At least as far as criminal law goes. However, I've heard of some pretty wacky situations where defending your home like this can result in some civil liability.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Thats why you always shoot to kill. Its cheaper in the US.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not in Texas.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

There is a difference between criminal law and civil law. Yes, you can get sued for self-defense in civil court in Texas: https://www.walkertaylorlaw.com/sued-for-self-defense-in-texas/

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

TV too high

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why didn't he shoot to the left?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I think he was worried about shooting through the neighbours door

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Judging by how the door opens after the cops arrive, I don't think he shot through the door, but had it opened just a crack and was simply firing blindly.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

2nd amendment is beautiful.