among those will likely be people whose relatives voted for Trump because of reasons
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And all of the military stationed at the border will be turned around to keep people in once Trump moves on from immigrants to trans people, or some other group who will be forced to flee the country to avoid being put in the concentration camps that will be empty and need people to keep the prison companies' profits up.
Who the fuck knew we are going to see the fall of America in our lifetimes. The only thing I hope for at this point is strong Europe.
Who the fuck knew we are going to see the fall of America in our lifetimes.
No one thinks major downward shifts will happen in their lifetime...until they do. Our great shame is that we voted for it.
Writing's on the wall. We're squarely on the path of decline.
Only thing to debate now is the timeline.
I remember pointing out to my 8th grade social studies teacher that most countries don't get to exist for over 200 years, especially after they have a massive civil war.
Have you heard of European countries?
Many European countries that we know today didn’t exist in their current form that long ago and had a major war preceding the establishment of that nation. Kingdom of the Netherlands and the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg were formed in 1815 and Kingdom of Belgium 1830 before they were always subjects of a bigger empire or kingdom. Unification of Italy 1871 when Rome was finally captured and French Republic formed in 1792, France’s latest form is the Fifth Republic established in 1958. Germany only unified in 1866 before that time it was a bunch of smaller states and kingdoms, then after 1919 became the Weimar Republic, Federal Republic of Germany in 1949 and then fall of the wall in 1990. Independence of Greece 1821. Those examples aren’t the only ones and don’t forget the entire Balkan, those nations were all formed in the 90’s.
It’s not that the country of America will disappear after a civil war but it might not be called the USA anymore.
Sure, but some, like Portugal, have had their current form since the mid 13th century.
One key problem with using military, in national emergency martial law power, is "put anyone brown looking onto a bus". Don't you carry your citizenship papers on you at all times?
If I was brown during the trump presidency I’d carry my passport everywhere for that reason
OK, but you'd still be brown.
History repeats itself (because humans are stupid).
Pick up a history book to find out where it goes from here.
If Republicans truly saw companies hiring illegal immigrants as an issue, they'd be able to easily crack down on business owners doing the hiring and make the punishment more than just a slap on the wrist.
No, the cruelty towards other humans is the point. They don't care about the non-existent issue.
Trump has been busted for hiring illegals and faced no real consequences
The slippery slope here is that deciding who is "illegal" may vary wildly depending on who Trump empowers (legit or just some Nazis that want "safe streets") to decide this. He has had people saying just undocumented, but also people saying anyone that isn't a full citizen (so anyone here with a Visa/Green Card/work papers/migrant workers/refugees/etc.).
You also know that when the Nazis/KKK folks get to work they are just going to be grabbing people that "look illegal" or that run from them/their mob (because they look dangerous!).
This is also going to have a HUGE impact on food prices when farmers have nobody to pick crops.
Get out of here with your woke pronouns, it’s ’he/him mob’!
Canuck here.
Doesn't the Posse Comitatus Act prohibit the use of military (other than National Guard and Coast Guard) for this purpose?
I see they can be used but only if the Insurrection Act is invoked (might be other ways but that's the one that came up most frequently in my searches).
It does.
But when none of the checks actually step in to stop it, then what difference does it make?
Laws don't matter any more.
Speaking as a Canadian, I'm confused. If you boot out all the undocumented, where are you going to find the migrant workers to do all the unpleasant, if not downright dangerous jobs? And many of those are in red states. What does that leave? The convict workforce? I guess that is huge in the US.
We have migrant workers here too. They come on temporary visas, so they are technically documented. But the whole sector is rife with discrimination and human rights violations regardless.
Oh that’s where the queers and the democrats come in. Specifically we will be coming in chains
where are you going to find the migrant workers to do all the unpleasant, if not downright dangerous jobs?
Replaced by forced labor.
Yup.
Getting rid of a ton of cheap labor is not good for an economy.
Red states will suffer more.
They'll ask for more federal funds to support them than they already do.
Their daddy in the big seat will give it to them.
Just more of our money going to a bunch of ignorant/racist fools who can't learn to vote more intelligently.
In a roundabout way.. If they get the handouts, they will see trump as the saviour. The fact he caused the issues are irrelevant or that it costs something else so they can get their trump food stamps...
It doesn't matter how badly this administration fails. At the end of 4 years they'll find a way to blame Democrats and praise Trump, even though that makes no sense because their team is in total control.
But that's the nature of a cult.
The children yearn for the mines.
This. Defunding education, removing social safety nets, and scaling back labour laws all will force whole families of low income workers to replace the migrant workers for the same or worse pay.
Absolutely. My comment was just a quip/ meme, but I do worry that what you laid out is their goal.
They have indicated in Project 2025 that they plan to rollback various safety nets. Unfortunately, the US is already lacking in that.
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He'll be focusing on undocumented folks in blue states, first, for sure. But economists are already predicting skyrocketing grocery prices as labor scarcity is forcibly introduced by these deportations, either way.
My guess, he focuses purely on "shock and awe" by targeting blue cities with workplace raids rather than just going to literally every farm in the south.
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A migrant worker is not undocumented. Many are here in a legitimate work visa and it’s heavily used in farming.
Undocumented aliens comprise several subgroups and I suppose you can say “I really meant ….”.
For example the most common illegal is a formerly legal visiting student or worker who overstays their visa. And as you said, this is an area subject to human rights violation and discrimination: an employer can treat someone as poorly as they want, when someone is subject to deportation if they lose their job
Step 1: be rich
Step 2: bribe the government to do your bidding
Step 3: decimate the workforce of your competitors
Step 4: profit, buy out competition, become "too big to fail"
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Greetings from Germany. Maybe you want to skip everything that happens from now on and end this before this lunatic takes office.
On a unrelated topic: aren't you the nation with the most guns?
aren’t you the nation with the most guns?
Yes, and ownership is predominantly with those who want to kill/ deport immigrants. In the US, there are ~120.5 guns per 100 people. However, this statistic is misleading, because you might expect most people to have 1 gun, and a few people to have more than one to get to that statistic. However, most households do not have a fire arm.
So the average gun-owner, actually owns from 4-8 guns, while the majority of Americans own 0 guns. We have a culture of gun-obsessed rightwing psychopaths.
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The majority of voters who cast a valid ballot voted for him, what do you even do with those people? You get rid of their leader, another take their place. The military took an oath to the constitution, that included recognizing the results of elections, regardless of if they are a fascist. The US isn't a Defensive Democracy like modern day Germany, we aren't getting rid of them until the next election, that is, if there ever is a next election.
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Reposting my comment again.
Like the German version of Nazis before them, they aren't coming for their biggest target first. They're coming for their political opposition, the "abortionists", the atheists, the drug users, the mentally ill...
RFK Jr.:
"I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need — three or four years if they need it— to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities,"
Re-education camps, huh.
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If you can get out of this country, get out.
Yup.
Obviously that's not an option for the vast majority. But if you have the means, then there are absolutely 1st world countries where you can live a longer, healthier, less stressful life where you are afforded more rights.
This ship is sinking. Maybe slowly, but definitely sinking.
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