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I’m considering picking up a cheapish laptop for development, with the intent of installing Linux on it. Typically it’ll be Java development or other stuff in docket containers. Is there a best chipset to pick for Linux or are they pretty much identical these days?

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends on your goals but right now AMD is eating high end thin and lights for dinner. Their new APUs are more powerful, more efficient, and have better graphics than anything from Intel.

But Intel is also still good and very available with more choices and lower cost due to the higher demand for AMD.

Both are great Linux choices, but ARM/Apple are currently not great for desktop.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

AMD has better hardware support because they are more active in contributing than intel. Also, they have overtaken intel in terms of efficiency (price per watt, price per Hz)

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But AMD doesn't update the microcode of their CPUs

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Intel or AMD for the CPU, but AMD for the GPU if you need any graphical capabilities. AMD GPU's are pretty solid as well. There's definitely more choices available with Intel CPU's but if you can find a good AMD chip then go for it.

I've always been an AMD fan and used those in my desktops, but for laptops it's been harder to find something that pushes all the buttons for me.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On the flip side, if 3D graphics performance is not a priority then Intel graphics is incredibly well supported and is probably the most consistently reliable and bug-free graphics option.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except for some stuff on the Atom processors, yup. Generally Intel's video hardware has worked very reliably, if not powerfully. Their network cards (wireless and wired) also tend to be well-supported and perform well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Regarding Atom, the x7-z8700 in my surface 3 caused problems for a while, and I'm not sure it's still 100% in Linux, and it's been out for ages.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Plus, if you're planning on using Wayland with any wlroots compositor, Nvidia is essentially a non-starter.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I have a Lenovo ThinkPad T430 that is by now almost 10 years old, it runs perfectly on Linux and is a fantastic choice even today. It's built like a tank and that Intel i5 powering it is immortal. DDR3 RAM is dirt cheap now and it takes up to 16Gb, you can swap its HDD to a SATA SSD (if not done already) and batteries for it are still cheap and plentiful.

If you're looking for something affordable for software dev, I can't think of a better choice for $200-$300

https://www.lenovo.com/lt/lt/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/t430/

They really built this one right, they don't make them like this anymore.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And if you go just slightly older on Thinkpads, you get real keys.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

you can get real keys by putting the t420 ones on the t430

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I have a T440p, and it's worth noting that on many of these Thinkpads, not only can you replace the HDD with an SSD, but you can also install a 2nd or 3rd drive.

You can get a replacement tray that allows an SSD in the optical bay. You can also install a small cache drive in the m.2 port under the keyboard (again, only with certain ones -- T440p has it).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

X220, 300 Dollars in 2021, with i7-2640m, never look back for now. I'm thinking buying L380, as I need Waydroid to debugs app. My Phone become shitty. I think I will buy new phone, but not now I guess? Thinkpad X220 expected to work til 2027

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

About the same, I have a Dell latitude E5470 with a i5 6th gen, 8GB, SSD, 14" IPS, less than $200, it's a superb laptop that was like $1500 new. MX Linux runs everything 100%

[–] SteveTech 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Important thing to note, when using AMD, you'll probably need an additional amd_pstate parameter for better power management.

Sources:

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

AMD has served me well since I've started actively using Linux.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Best bang for your buck, AMD 100%. Im not really a Laptop person, but I suggest going to a Pawn Shop. They sell laptops cheap as F, as they are always overloaded with them...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Doesn't really matter between brands across OSes at this point. AMD offers better performance per dollar though

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

CPU brand choice doesn't really matter a lot.

In general, I'd say go with AMD if you can afford it, but otherwise Intel is fine. Intel has caught up slightly the past couple of years, but AMD APUs are still at the top in terms of what you get for the money. If you can't get an AMD laptop because of low stock/price or see an Intel laptop with more features you like, just go for that instead. I have an Intel laptop and the CPU worked fine on Linux (running Windows right now since driver support for other parts of the laptop like speakers and the display were a little shoddy because of how new it was).

I don't know if this still remains true (if not, please correct me), but AMD will be marginally better for productivity and programming because of the multi core performance. They are also slightly more efficient than Intel in terms of power usage, although I'm sure any laptop besides a gaming laptop will give you solid battery life in 2023.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've never used AMD, but folks I know have had good experiences with both; support is about equal. You probably don't need to go for a top-tier device, and if you're running VMs and containers you should be just as concerned about RAM and disk space as CPU

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'd say go for AMD because their APUs are excellent, but they will be expensive. You can find used/refurbished ThinkPads in really good condition for very cheap (~$200, see this thread where I learned about this), and most (all?) of them have Intel CPUs.

Anyway, right now Linux works perfectly well on both of them*.

*: If the kernel version is greater than 5.19.9 (issue first appeared with the 5.19.10) and less than 6.4, you'll likely have an annoying keyboard issue with Linux on new AMD Ryzen laptops, as typing will be extremely slow. That has been corrected now and with an up-to-date kernel you shouldn't have any keyboard issues on an AMD laptop.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Neither one of them have any particular Linux specific problems. Just get whatever suits your needs best.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I wonder the same, some time ago but for different reasons. If I have to buy a gaming laptop, what should I choose? Intel CPU and Nvidia was my best friend on Windows, but on Linux I'm totally unsure. I think AMD does a better job for gaming under Linux, but I have absolutely no idea if that's true.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

If it's not Nvidia, it's good... Both Intel and AMD should work nicely.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It’s easier to find Intel NICs/WNICs in Intel based laptops, and it’s easier to find refurbished Intel laptops.

Also, check and see if the laptop is supported by LVFS.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I never ever had even the slightest issue with any Intel chips or hardware. With AMD on the other hand I always had problems from slow performance to unreliable functionality to straight up not working devices.