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[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 month ago (10 children)

I definitely support women’s rights and will always believe in their unfettered right to decide their own reproductive choices. I was worried when I first read this, however. If the only people having children are the fascists and their enablers, I fear the future will be even more bleak than the present. That said, this story does seem to indicate the movement is more based around not having children with Trump voters which I find completely reasonable.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago (6 children)

The future is going to be pretty bleak with 10 billion people on the planet, too.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Nah it's cool. That's just a temporary problem.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Would be like Idiocracy, but with fascism

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

With an already functionally illiterate population. We're soooo much closer to that than you think.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Do you underestimate my pessimism

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

I'm 51, and I've never been so happy not to have kids in my life.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

The fun part is that this the foundation "Idiocracy" built its world on.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

it's interesting to see the summaries become more inaccurate and incendiary as you change the "bias" from left to right.

left wing summary:

  • The 4B movement began in South Korea in 2019, advocating against heterosexual marriage, childbirth, dating, and sexual relationships with men.
  • Supporters aim to boycott a system they believe promotes gender inequity, seeking control over their lives.
  • The movement's potential expansion to the U.S. Is seen as a response to perceived threats to women's rights following an election.

right wing summary:

  • A group of American liberal women launched the "4B Movement" to boycott relationships with men who voted for Donald Trump in the 2020 election.
  • The movement is a protest against perceived threats to women's rights, including concerns about abortion rights and gender equality.
  • The effectiveness of the "4B Movement" in causing political change is currently uncertain, as it primarily aims to make a statement.

notice how the left wing summary properly states that this is a movement that started years ago in korea, and that it's something that women in the US are adopting due to the recent election. meanwhile, the right wing summary falsely claims that the movement was created by "American liberal women". it also claims that the movement was created to "boycott relationships with men who voted for Donald Trump", which is just not true from the other things i've read. everything else seems to indicate that the 4B movement is about boycotting relationships with all men, not just trump supporters. but maybe i'm wrong about that last point.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

See that's wild to me. If women ended relationships with Trump supporters that would be quite a statement.

However it's mostly left leaning women joining 4b. 52% of white women voted for Trump, even more when you include those who stayed home. That means more conservative relationships, marriages, families and fewer leftist ones. It's almost what conservatives want with all that pureblood talk that the non pure bloods stop reproducing.

Whatever at least it's bringing attention to the cause for now so that's worth something.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Which will work until Project 2025 recodifies rape as a property crime against a woman’s male guardian.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago

A “women are property” sign showed up in Texas, complete with a reference to old Jewish law via Romans.

In Sunday school I learned that when Jesus arrived it was now his way not the Old Testament way. And yet. Lewis Black has a whole stand up bit regarding his utter confusion at Christians wanting to tap into his god, who he describes as “a real son of a bitch”.

In the context of what is about to happen in America, it makes complete sense. It’s a cherry picked excuse to treat us as prized livestock.

Legacy is a commodity. I would argue it’s the ultimate commodity. And men don’t have choice there unless it’s given to them by a women. Or an abortion ban, wherein rapists now get to choose. Put the pieces together and legacy, in conjunction with traditional male roles attached to that will be sitting in the center.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (3 children)

God damnit the dating scene is already brutal enough. Dating apps are crap. I'm seeing a ton of friends going 4b. And the worst thing (from a dating perspective) is that they are right.

Fuck you Republicans. I hope all your sex dolls pop.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The thing is, Republican women aren't interested in 4b. Abstinence can be a really effective means of protest, but only if a majority of women participate. 45% of women voted for Trump, and over 50% of white women voted for Trump. If the only women open to relationships are Republicans, a lot of men who don't care about politics will turn red.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Fuck you Republicans. I hope all your sex dolls pop.

Read Handmaid's Tale. They won't need dolls.

Margaret Atwood made sure that everything that happens in that story is something that has happened in real life at some point in history. It will now happen again.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (8 children)

If we ever have elections again, convince your friends to not vote for fascism and misogeny.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Honestly, I think 4b will be very effective because if Jodi Foster can convince one man

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Are there any self respecting women still fucking republicans?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Lots unfortunately, ~46% of women voted for Trump. Compared to 53% for Harris. This is less of a gap than there was in Biden v Trump (55% v 43%).

More than half of white women voted for Trump.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

self respecting

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

More than half of white women who voted voted for trump. Only ~53% of white women voted at all, so about 28% of white women voted for trump

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Another way to add those numbers is to say 75% of all white women didn't vote for Harris. We can twist stats all day long to try and blame someone, but the reality is that Americans are thirsty for something and Trump promised it to them. Harris failed to read the room. Society is hurting and authoritarianism is a bottle of liquor; you know it's not the best choice but at least it feels good if nobody is going to give you populism.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe a few with a GOP kink?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Subs can respect themselves.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago

Do what you have to do ladies.

I only have this bit of unsolicited advice. Try to still form genuine connections with men who you consider to be decent human beings when possible. I'm not saying this for our sake either. This is not South Korea. This is ~~potentially~~ probably going to be worse. If our government goes all the way and removes women's rights in their entirety then you're going to want men in your life that you can trust.

I would say this really goes for everyone. Trump's revenge tour is going to be cruel and people need to form strong communities. This is a time where people need to find like minded individuals and band together if they want to make it through the hell that's approaching us.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Godspeed to them.

Let's get those birth rates lower than Japan and Korea.

We can do this! America numba 1!!!

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

I see this going two ways:

  1. Video game boycott route. Lot of vocal support but not a lot of actual support.
  2. Selective breeding route. Right wing women have babies, left wing don't. Oh shocker welcome to the theocracy.

It deffo ain't finna be some Lysistrata shit.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Republicans: we want pure women

Women:

Republicans: No wait not like that

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I can't see this doing anything else than pushing men further to the right as a result tbh

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

isn't this originally a South Korean thing? the men there are probably some of the most openly misogynistic in the world (in terms of general population, not counting specific organizations). i think you're right. at best, this doesn't work; at worst, it backfires.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Yes the movement comes from South Korea

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