I don’t care if your title is “sheriff”, or if you call yourself “constitutional”. By seizing voting machines, you’re a petty tyrant who’s not enforcing any law but your own.
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They honestly sound like those sovereign citizens crap
I’d say worse, the SovCit people are ridiculous idiots but mostly just try to get out paying debts or traffic laws, these “sheriffs” are actively attempting to thwart democracy and should be hurled into the nearest prison for at least the next election cycle to think about what they did.
They’re all trying to do an end-run around democracy and society, it’s just a different level of power they believe they have.
Sov cits want it for themselves
These sheriffs want it for elections.
More dangerous, sure, but the same basic principle of “I can manipulatively read and misunderstand the rules so that they don’t apply to me”
Also both the constitutional sherriffs and sovcits grew out of the militia movement of the 80s and 90s. They are basically the same movement just different aspects of it.
Nope, these sheriffs do not "want it for elections", they want it for themselves. We're on the same side here and I'm sorry to be antagonistic but I don't agree with you excusing their behavior as principled in any way unless you also do it for sovereign citizens, because it is exactly the same thing: "the rules only apply to me when it's convenient."
Yes, I think you misunderstood what I meant, I think we’re saying the same thing.
They both are “manipulatively reading the rules” to make the rules seem say something that gives them more power than they have and zero responsibility to their neighbour, city, state or country
Same basic principle of “things mean what I want them to mean”
The way I see it, sovcits want it for themselves to have freedom to do what they want (which can include imposing on others). "Constitutional" sheriffs want it for themselves to expand their power over others because police can do very well under a fascist system (until they do something against the party and then disappear... Or someone more connected in the party wants their power themselves... Or someone less connected wants their power and can act before the better connections come into play).
I wonder how many of the ones who want a fascist system for their own power realize how much of a target getting that power puts on them from pretty much all sides.
The real problem is that these people get away with it. There are no consequences to their actions. If no one is going to hold them accountable then it's not just a belief they have, they really are above the law.
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The fact that this is legal, and these people are walking around free to intimidate people and conspire to interfere with elections are atrocities and should not be tolerated by anybody.
I’m taking Tuesday off, and after voting, I plan to spend my morning with my boys working in the yard. Then I’ll take them to their mother’s so they can play with the neighbor’s grandson. After that, I’m treating my kids to their favorite restaurant, finished off with some local ice cream.
Maybe I’m being over dramatic, but I worry that by the time Wednesday rolls around, the shit will hit the fan regardless of who wins Tuesday night.
At least, I hope I’m being over dramatic. 😔
Saturday will be the day shit hits the fan.
The only person saying they won on Tuesday, will be Hërr GröpenFührer.
Tolerated... We got a major party ready to dismantle what little democracy we got. The GOP collectively lost their shit cause their orange gibbon lost 2020 and could handle it. So in 2024 they've doubled down on the geriatric man child.
If we get this wrong we should apologize to the King of England and rejoin the commonwealth.
Just an FYI that is probably surprising to nobody: the constitutional sheriff's movement has its roots from a white supremacist organization.
I'm shocked!
But not that shocked?
I live near where Dar Leaf is sheriff. He's a douche that also wanted to protect the people plotting to assassinate Gov Whitmer. Maybe he should focus on the fact that he's sheriff of the meth capital of Michigan.
We in Barry county somehow failed to vote him out. Truly shameful that he will continue to be sheriff
I haven't paid a lot of attention to your elections up there. Is he running unopposed?
~~Basically yes~~. He won the Republican primary and the county is at least 2/3 Republican.
Edit: I looked it up and he is running on opposed.
Wait. Why do you VOTE for a sheriff? Don't they just get appointed like police captains? And can everyone be voted sheriff?
Nope, counties vote for their law enforcement officials. In other places the police commissioner is appointed by the mayor.
Do you at least need some background in law enforcement? 🥲
Nope, just be voted in.
i mean fun fact the person who appoints the police captain is elected, allowing bad voters to insert a bad police captain
The biggest part I don't understand is say he gets to do what he wants, what exactly is he going to do? Because to me, the only thing I can think of is actually cause election fraud. I hate that we allow this to happen all the time now. Just arrest these people already!
The thing is, if you do something illegal on election day, and cause a whole polling station in a democratic area to be shut down, that still ends up with a bunch of votes not being cast, and potentially an election bring swung.
These people count on getting pardoned after the fact.
Is the FBI ...awake?
A constitutional sheriff is the sovereign citizen of law enforcement. Stupid and full shit.
I wouldn't exactly call it "bracing", they're always ready for expected nuisances, like the nightly burst of drunk drivers after bars close.