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I (21M) live in an Ohio household of hardcore Trumpers who, unfortunately, found out that I voted for Kamala Harris.

My father and brother are fascists. They believe in killing anyone who disagrees with Trumpism. My mother is not violent, but drank basically all the QAnon Kool-Aid and is batshit insane.

I am disabled. My cognitive ability suffers severely if I sit up or stand up for more than a few minutes. I also have another condition that requires me to avoid bending my neck, so I have to keep it straight. I also can't safely lift anything that's heavier than a few pounds, so anything more than that is very risky. I can push and pull fine.

I am also financially-dependent on my mother at the moment.

We moved to a new house recently, and the walls are very thin. That allowed me to overhear a private conversation between my father and brother.

My brother said that he hates Harris supporters so much that he wants a day of retribution where he goes on a violent rampage to kill everyone he knows who supports her, especially gay and transgender people. When my dad asked if that included me, he did not hesitate to say "Sure."

My brother is in peak physical condition. He owns guns and has military training. I had long suspected that he is the biggest potential threat to my life, but gaslighted myself into thinking I was overreacting. Today, he confirmed it.

My brother isn't the type to throw out threats of violence willy-nilly. He has also physically abused me in the past when we were younger and has major anger issues. I believe that I have to take this threat seriously, and that means that I need to evacuate ASAP. I think the most likely day for him to act is on election night or shortly after, which would give me just over a week. But then again, I can't be sure. Maybe he is planning a surprise.

My mother is too unreasonable to take any of this seriously.

I have a few thousand dollars and Democratic relatives from the South who might potentially take me in, though I don't know for sure if they will, since we're not close emotionally. I also don't know if my brother will go out of his way to target them once he notices my absence. He is going to an out-of-state Trump rally this week, so I know that he doesn't have much trouble crossing state lines.

I don't know where my birth certificate and social security card are, other than that my mother has them somewhere. My father is home the entire time and stays in one spot where he can see everything. Even if I knew where they were, there is no way for me to retrieve them without him noticing.

Fuck fascism. I was born to a family of vile abusive sociopaths. It was hell the whole time. I won't miss any of them. Fuck them. They are a disappointment to the rest of my family line. I spent my entire life learning how to become a decent human being in spite of it all and now the fuckers want me dead. FUCK. THEM.

The thing that separates me from the rest of my family is empathy. I refused to hate the people they wanted me to hate. Instead, I listened to their stories and befriended them. I care about everyone, not just straight white Christians. I voted for Harris because I wanted the best for everyone, which means preventing the installation of an authoritarian regime. And for that, I must pay the ultimate price.

I may never get to experience love or deep friendship, but no matter how this all ends, I vow to spend the rest of my days pouring out as much love and joy as I can out to every last ally I meet.

Any advice would be helpful. I don't want to wait, but I also can't do this without some kind of plan. I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing, so any input is appreciated.

Thank you.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

Please update us!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

I believe the FBI is who you’d contact my dude

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago

I think the best advice has been given by others.

I'm so sorry you're going through this. Feel free to DM me if you need to vent, or if I can do anything to help.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago (2 children)

i wouldnt hesitate to reach out to family down south as they may be most able to legally help you. i would not call the cops, they are useless. hunt for shelter and other hotlines, ideally chats if the walls are thin!

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Call the police if your life and others are threaten. Seriously.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

The problem is that you are totally unknown to us if you happen to not update or something what would we do? Who do we call? What we will say? You'll need to set up a network of people that checks on you and can ring an alarm.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Leave now. Fuck your stuff.

  1. get a cab

  2. get a Greyhound to an area with a better outlook.

  3. look for roommates in your destination city on the ride

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago

Absolutely agree with you, but one thing to note is the existence of what's called representative payees. OP would have likely had to sign a form for it at 21, unless they were verifiably incapacitated at the time, but a rep payee is, for an intents and purposes, the beneficiary as far as the social security department is concerned.

Which is NOT to say don't leave. It just means that OP needs to contact social security the instant they are clear of danger or being overheard.

The moment you're safe, contact the SSD and ask them to verify your status as the primary on your account. If your mother (or someone else) is not the rep payee, then you're clear. If they are, you need to ask for the paperwork to transfer your benefits back to yourself, which may involve having to go through a judge. That said, keep a record of any communications between yourself and whoever the rep payee is. Ohio is a one party consent state, meaning you are legally allowed to record your phone calls as long as one party is aware and consents, namely yourself. Text based communication is easier, though.

If you are able to contact anyone (guessing you can since you're posting this) I would suggest contacting progressive organizations in your area. Women's shelters, even if you're male, may be able to help you, or direct you to someone who can help. Gay organizations often have some resources in place for teens who have disowned. The DSA, the episcopal church, the metropolitan community Church, the United Church of Christ, any Sikh, Buddhist, and often Hindu community centers are also notorious for being home to progressive members. Sadly, they likely don't have anything in place for such a rescue mission already, but they may well be a member willing to assist.

Best option is if there's an anarchist mutual aid org near you, but that's unlikely.

I wish you all the luck and success in there.

This also ended up longer than I anticipated going in, so posting it as a full comment in and of itself, too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I have a hard time taking some of the advice here seriously, especially around there being some kind of conspiracy where the police are right-wing and full of fascists - but let's take it at face value

Instead of law enforcement, go to a lawyer and ask them to help, stating that you feel that you cannot go to the police. Any law firm worth their salt would ensure that you are represented, or that you're represented by someone from your district that will protect you. They will also keep an eye on adequate law enforcement to ensure they actually protect you, and don't just farm you back to relatives. At the very least, they can give you enough protection to ensure that your relatives in the south can contact you and take you in if needed.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

As panicked as you are, take a second. Murdering family for political views isn't exactly on the table quite yet. You're still afforded freedom and justice and even if people dont think you should have it they would have to cross a line that they've never crossed before to exact their cruel punishment. Use these social norms to posture an exit route but do not fear standing up for yourself. None of us are there physically so you are your last line of defense. You can also start a live stream assuming you have a phone which should be another layer of protection.

I'm also not saying be confrontational. I'm saying if the need arises stand up for yourself, it will throw them. Just be sure to have an exit strategy for each situation and assume you can only play that card once before they talk themselves into disobeying societal conditioning.

Bullies are just scared little children on the inside. Murder, no matter how brain washed you are is not a small leap. I suggest you use this fear to build the courage to leave. Though your greatest fears may never be realized it takes a humongous toll to live with that sort of stress.

Contact APS like suggested and they should help you along but make it clear reconciliation is not something you would like to pursue. Even if you can imagine reconciliation being helpful now is not the time and you'll thank yourself later for making this choice.

Also, cops arent inherently bad people. Some cops have disabled family. Some cops are left leaning. Some cops just firmly believe in the letter of the law. It's a gamble, for sure, but not a crap shoot as others would have you believe.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As others have said, you really should contact the police and let them know your brother is planning to murder people.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Maybe the FBI would be a better contact in this case? I may be wrong, but to me the brothers explicit words of intention and access to guns seems very much like a threat of premeditated domestic terrorism. If that's indeed the case, here's the FBI's page with contact options near the bottom.

I'm so sorry you're having to deal/live with this OP. You deserve much better. This internet stranger is proud of you for doing all that's within your power in such a shitty situation!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Both of these are good suggestions, but only after OP gets out.

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