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[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 day ago (12 children)

"Are you 15 or more years old? Y/N"

There, that fixed the problem.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (8 children)

IIRC Norway has an actual Nat ID system, so assuming they develop a workable API for it ðis could actually be implemented quite easily.

Preventing kids stealing ðeir parents' IDs to open accounts anyway will be ð actual challenge.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Is there a reason that you use some character (I'm afraid I don't know the name of it) wherever you would otherwise use "th"? I can't guess if it's some kind of technical issue with federated text, something from a different language you're incorporating, or one of those "I think we should add x symbol to the language so I'll use it to draw attention to the effort" deals, like with the people that use the combined !? symbols whenever both are relevant at once.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

What ð heck are are you talking about, it looks normal. To me. Maybe ðeres someðing wrong wið your computer.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

I’m probably doing exactly what they want here (e.g. having a conversation about it), but that letter is called “Eth” and was the Old English way of spelling the “th” sound: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eth

A number of linguistic buffs want to bring it back to the modern English alphabet.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

So then the kids will just use a VPN

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

Yup, ProtonVPN is free, and there are covert ways to purchase other VPNs (i.e. cash in an envelope).

All this would do is make it much harder for their parents to figure out what their kids are doing. If they can access it w/o a VPN, a regular internet logger can help inform parents of their traffic.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

True but would you prefer weak enforcement or strong enforcement?
Strong enforcement would likely involve the government having better records of your browsing habits.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

I prefer weak enforcement every time. It's effective for kids who would follow the law anyway, and it doesn't push the kids to use more covert means if they wouldn't follow the law anyway. The latter group is therefore much easier to monitor using standard tools, and good parents with deviant children can use that effectively to help solve their problems before they become more serious.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

If anything, it would be far better to ban people above a certain age from social media. I’ve seen far more older people get sucked in by online misinformation and become extreme conspiracy theorists than kids.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 21 hours ago (9 children)

It's not the government's job to tell adults to not partake in self-harm. Kids don't know better.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (6 children)

How do they define what a social media is?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (10 children)

And most importantly: How would they enforce that? Kids have been lying about their ages since the dawn of internet.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think they really need to.

Laws are often just an acknowledgement of a society's expectation.

"We've all decided that kids under 15 using social isn't great."

The fact that this law exists makes it infinitely b easier for parents to establish and maintain rules in their household, because peer pressure is minimised.

Yes, some kids will still use social before they're 15. Perhaps most kids. However, I think harmfully excessive use will be minimised.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago

Porn sites have age limits, we know this doesn't mean shit. No middleschooler gets condemned for watching porn.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

The enforcing part is where this is likely to get shitty. Once they establish this as a law they maybe will try and sue companies that don't provide an age check on their websites. Now if that is possible I am not sure, seeing as many of those are having HQs in Ireland or Netherlands due to tax reasons.

But if that is successful it would mean they actually have to check everyone's age by some means, which means collecting IDs. Which definitely is bad news for users, we all know that data won't be securely stored or deleted.

Not sure how else this could go down.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Probably networks where users post personal data in conjunction with chat features. Obviously, Wikipedia is not social media in this regard and neither is a mailing list.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

We shouldn't blocked the social media, they are pure shit, don't get me wrong, but we should only educate correctly the people to show them how bad it is

[–] [email protected] 15 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

With that logic we should give everyone a nuclear bomb and teach them not to press the button. Let's see how that works out.

Big tegh companies spend billions on ways to influence your behaviour, making it even difficult for adults to not fall for their traps, let alone kids with still very much underdeveloped brains. Just look at all the stupid things you had done when you were a kid.

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[–] 0x0 3 points 20 hours ago

What?! Are you implying the parents should educate their kids better? How dare you!?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Governmental overreach. Good luck trying to enforce this shit.

Social media isn't bad inherently. Addictive algorithms, violation of user privacy, etc. is bad.

Kids should be taught how to make use of social media for good. I was bullied quite a lot as a kid. Social media is what kinda brought me out of it.

Social media told 13 year old me, that it is alright to be gay. Social media is what made me interested in politics. A huge part of who I am today is because of the nice people I met online. Fuck the government for trying to take it away from others like me.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Social media isn’t bad inherently. Addictive algorithms, violation of user privacy, etc. is bad.

Cigarettes aren't bad for you. It's just the burning tar and the nicotine.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But social media don't have to burn tar. They chose to because this way they can get more money, but it's not an inherent part of the system, it's an exploitation of it for profit, and can be separated

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