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I don't think they did know necessarily.

You would just expect a presidential campaign to pay. It's not like Trump pays from his own pocket.

Also, they didn't give Trump a free pass.

They could close the bill and still refuse another convention on the same grounds.

Yeah she thought it was hilarious and i did too.

Like I said he was a bit of a jerk I think.

Well she's pretty much wasted her influence here.

Very few people care enough to read her nuanced opinion, and those people will be democrat voters anyway.

To anyone that needed to hear her message she just said "both sides are shit right now, and everyone's shit is emotional right now".

Elections are lost with complex messaging.

Gretas problem generally is that she looks great to intelligent progressive young activists, but she just makes everyone else feel... chagrined I guess. What I mean is that she's incapable of changing the opinions of the people who need to change their opinions.

Wow he really said that.

Guy is falling apart and people are gonna elect him anyway.

A lot of people try to say you should only down vote poor quality comments that don't contribute to the discussion.

If every one downvotes opinions they disagree with you just have a homogeneous echo chamber.

Personally, I don't think there's any point complaining about it. You can't hold back that tide.

Honestly I think users on Lemmy are from a very narrow demographic, and to be blunt a lot of users just don't have a very broad life experience. That being the case I think anyone should expect to have some opinions which are unpopular with other lemmy users.

I think if he loses this election he will be dead before the next.

Imagine the stress of his various legal and financial problems, no longer with any backing from powerful people, then going to jail or under house arrest with no contact with his followers and just being completely irrelevant and forgotten, knowing that by the time you're released you'll just be an empty broken frail old nothing.

It would be Trumps worst nightmare. It would break his spirit.

This is certainly how I've been feeling.

I'm not even in the US but I just can't look away from this train wreck.

It's like there's been this simmering undertone of shady conservative feelings in the US for the last decade, and this is where the public either validates it or takes a firm stance against it.

There's no coming back for Trump if he loses, but there's gonna be a global shitstorm if he wins. Autocrats getting their way in Russia and Israel, global tarrif war triggering a global depression, droughts fires and storms from climate change, all supporting a lurch to the right.

I think court proceedings.

Trump is a narcissist. He would drive great pleasure from a very public and lengthy court proceeding showing everyone what he can do to people who oppose him.

I don't care for the vitriol but the sentiment is exactly how I feel.

Any person who is not a white male millionaire that votes for trump I'd am idiot, but it's particular true of black people and hispanics.

If you're writing Latin then have at it. If you're not writing Latin then negro in the common vernacular is a derogatory term.

It's interesting how different this dynamic is in Australia. Our public broadcaster is doing a mini series on the US election and they have a journalist there at present. In their recent episode they were talking about how people would see them with a mic outside some public or government building, and approach them with the intention of telling them all about their voting preferences and the underlying reasons.

That's a stark contrast to how things roll in Australia. There are actually very, very few people who I would talk to about voting preferences. For example I talk to two of my sisters in group chat multiple times a day, see them at least weekly, talk to them about health problems, stressful situations, mental health... but I wouldn't openly ask them who they're planning to vote for and why.

It's socially acceptable to talk about current issues in a non-partisan way. So in the lunch room you might say "this new tax thing is fucked" but you wouldn't say "<political leader's> new tax policy is fucked". If it strayed into anything remotely political I'd clam up. I wouldn't talk politics with work colleagues, I'd sit and judge them silently.

I'm not trying to say our way is better. Maybe it would be better if people talked about things more.

In very specific industries it might be different. I think it certainly was historically. My grandfather was quite vocal in his support for our Labor party (on the left) because of their support for unions. In his workplace people would have overtly supported Labor and it would've been very difficult to work there if you didn't. Ironically, he was a bit of an asshole. My grandma was pretty great, she told me after he passed away she didn't know who to vote for anymore because she always just voted the opposite of him just to cancel out his vote.