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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I was reminded of a particular anecdote I need to get out of my system.

There was a time on a particular fiction series' fan forum's IRC channel when I had to convince a very enthusiastic teenage fan that the instructions they found on 4chan to open a portal to a parallel world of that particular work of fantasy fiction was actually a method for synthesizing and inhaling poison gas.

The weird part was that they admitted they knew it was probably just a cruel prank, but were still willing to try just in case it was real. We had to actually find and link articles where the same reaction was exhibited as an actual documented suicide method, if an unreliable one at that, to convince them not to go for it.

By my estimate that person was about high school age, almost certainly over 13 and probably over 15. Mostly their behavior seemed normal for the age, certainly overenthusiastic about the fandom and with obvious signs of teenage ennui, but both of those are typical for someone in their mid-teens. It was just this strange incident of extreme gullibility and self-destructive devotion to a fandom that really stuck with me.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago

That's a terrifying story. I'm happy it seems to have worked out ok.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

The way things are going, KnowYourMeme will be the only reputable journalistic outlet in a few years.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 weeks ago

Except far-right chuds routinely snatch up meme pages for culture war related controversies to control the narrative. Most notoriously during the gamergate era, but they also did this with the recent Godot nontroversy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago

Didn't places like buzzfeed or the huffington post also start out as clickbait bs sites and now are reputable journalistic outlets? It could happen!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Okay, quick prediction time:

  • Even if character.ai manages to win the lawsuit, this is probably gonna be the company's death knell. Even if the fallout of this incident doesn't lead to heavy regulation coming down on them, the death of one of their users is gonna cause horrific damage to their (already pretty poor AFAIK) reputation.

  • On a larger scale, chatbot apps like Replika and character.ai (if not chatbots in general) are probably gonna go into a serious decline thanks to this - the idea that "our chatbot can potentially kill you" is now firmly planted in the public's mind, and I suspect their userbase is gonna blow their lid from how heavily the major apps are gonna lock their shit down.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm not familiar with Character.ai. Is their business model that they take famous fictional characters, force feed their dialog into LLMs, then offer these LLMs as personalized chatbots?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

From the looks of things, that's how their business model works.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I found an Ars piece:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/10/chatbots-posed-as-therapist-and-adult-lover-in-teen-suicide-case-lawsuit-says/

Asked for comment, Google noted that Character.AI is a separate company in which Google has no ownership stake and denied involvement in developing the chatbots.

However, according to the lawsuit, former Google engineers at Character Technologies "never succeeded in distinguishing themselves from Google in a meaningful way." Allegedly, the plan all along was to let Shazeer and De Freitas run wild with Character.AI—allegedly at an operating cost of $30 million per month despite low subscriber rates while profiting barely more than a million per month—without impacting the Google brand or sparking antitrust scrutiny.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago

Updated 'do no evil' into 'if you are going to convince children to kill themselves while doing massive copyright infringement, at least dont hurt the brand'