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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

That is a real quote and absolutely fucking atrocious.

On the one hand, extremists think one of two things necessary for life should be a right.

On the other, I want to exploit those needs for personal gain.

...Times like these I wish I wasn't an atheist so I could find solace in the idea that they'd burn in hell. Instead they'll live a life of luxury while people die.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

It’s a real quote, but it’s taken out of context.

The CEO was making the point that the municipal water supply should be priced to reduce water wastage, which does have merit (and most municipalities do price water). He was saying that people who oppose water pricing do so on the grounds that water is a human right, which he called an extreme position.

He never actually said that water isn’t a human right, just that he thinks making water free because it’s a human right is an “extreme position”. He later clarified that he believes having enough water to live is a human right, but beyond that, filling up a swimming pool is not a human right.

He was making this argument in the context of arguing for the privatization of the municipal water supply, which I do not agree with. But I don’t think he’s wrong to argue for water pricing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

All these sociopaths just want personal gain, and don't realize that it makes us all lose. And when we all lose (at this stage of the game) we ALL lose!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

Maybe they don't realize, but I don't think they would care either way.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

The thing is, food should absolutely be a right, but also, food requires work to produce, water literally falls from the sky, comes out of a source by itself, and flows in a river. It's the most basic and natural of natural resources.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It will surprise you to hear, that food also is just there. It literally grows on trees

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Lol no. There's no way we could sustain our current population without agriculture.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

We also couldn't sustain our current population without water processing and distribution

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

And these fucks consider water a foodstuff... You don't do anything to water it just is.

Pepsi is a foodstuff, you make it. I don't claim a right to have Pepsi.

A hotdog is a foodstuff, you make it. I don't claim a right to have a hotdog.

Water is water... We literally need it to survive, even sooner than we need food. It's something like 7 days without water and you die, but at least 30 without food...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

That guy should be hunted down and killed.

That Nestlé guy. Not the star trek guy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

Important clarification, yes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

Nestle has an army of child slaves to protect him.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

Guess what!

Food is also a human right!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Water already is too, via the Geneva convention, and otger human rights treaties/laws.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

Fun fact: the US is one of the only countries in the world that does not recognise food as a human right

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

The difference is that “food” isn’t something that falls out of the sky or simply exists in its final form in nature. It is farmed, processed, and packaged for market.

Water, by itself, is natural and in its final form (sans boiling away impurities). It also falls from the sky. The problem comes up that companies like Nestle have “water rights” that some argue they shouldn’t have that prohibit use of publicly available water for anybody but Nestle.

Personally, I don’t see a problem with a company profiting off of the packaging, marketing, and distribution of bottled water. The problem I have is that companies should not be allowed to take as much water as they want, especially if it hurts public interest. I also have issue with states restricting a persons ability to capture and use rain water.

Kind of hypocritical that I cannot capture rain water and sell it, but Nestle can siphon of millions of gallons of water from a public water source and everyone is expected to be okay with it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean... Some food does literally just exist and we go out and eat it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Not as part of a normal life. Or at least, I don't see many people carrying baskets of freshly picked apples around.

Your point is true, though, even if a bit impractical for most.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

When we culturally embrace that food is a market item, not a right, then we systemically avoid maintaining or enabling sources of food that violate market principles: say, for example, keeping fruit trees in public parks, and making excess farm production available to the public

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

Rainwater capture isn't about you and I and some 50-gallon drums, your article even talks about reasonable use. The idea is to stop assholes from changing/diverting waterways.

There was an ass somewhere out West that was prosecuted, acting like he was a simple man getting the government shaft. He was collecting so much he dried up a creek that downstream farmers depended on.

Funny enough, I looked up Florida and apparently we not only encourage rainwater collection, some municipalities offer incentives! Weird. Now of it would only rain...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

"Well fuck me then, eh?" -Thousands of species of edible plants

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I have a fig tree in my backyard that says you're wrong

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

May I direct you to the first two words of your post?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Guess what!

Also, as an aside, thank you for using an exclamation point. As a licensed and registered pedant, it always bugs me to see a question mark on a statement/command. "Guess what?" is a common offender.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm going to need to see that license

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I... forgot my wallet at home, constable.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

suspect evaded arrest and made off with a whole bag of punctuation marks. Headed northwest into a series of tunnels. Requesting backup.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I have used both in the past, interpreting it as "did(n't) you know!?" But I take your point, it's really an order. I shall see that I don't offend in the future.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

You tell ‘em, Quark!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

I don't think having a right to something removes that it might also have a market value, it just puts constraints on that market value and the ability to access it. Often but not always mediated by welfare payments, pensions, or government coupon rates.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

Indeed.

Food for the vast majority of the world is a human right, but it has market value.

Shelter likewise is also a human right, but that also obviously holds market value.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

Ideally there'd be a socialist system that would be effective at distributing food and water.

Problem is socialism has the worst track record when it comes to feeding people. The worst famines in history happened under socialist systems.

And the whole "water is a human right" slogan is really silly hyberbole. If it were an actually a right then I could move to the middle of a desert and the government would be forced to build the infrastructure needed to provide me water. I don't think that's what people mean, but it's what the slogan means.

Just say it's bad when people struggle to get basic needs like food and water. Hyperbole is just setting yourself in a losing argument and doesn't actually sway anyone.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

While most of the world's people continue to live in Asia, much of the increase in hunger since 2017 occurred in Africa and South America. The FAO's 2017 report discussed three principal reasons for the recent increase in hunger: climate, conflict, and economic slowdowns.

In 2022, Asia was home to 55% (402 million) of the people in the world affected by hunger, while more than 38% (282 million) lived in Africa.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago