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[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I wish people cared about dealing with covid still. Once corporate America got that sign off not to care there was no going back.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

Seriously. I spent 2 days in the hospital last week with bilateral pulmonary embolisms after having COVID the middle of last month. I was NOT otherwise at risk for clots. A terrible surprise that I'll no doubt be recovering from for some time. I'm on a blood thinner for 6 months.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

All those people who refused to take COVID seriously have a lot of blood on their hands.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Shout out to Physics Girl Dianna. Who is still bedridden.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

STILL? I haven't checked in months. That's crazy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

yeah her YouTube channel still posts updates from time to time. shoutout to her husband too. they got married and almost immediately became patient/caretaker. it's probably exhausting for both but they're both resilient, hopefully they'll get out of it and live a stress free happy life. sure deserve it after going through this.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

They don't remember. On account of their brain injury.

[–] JackbyDev 6 points 4 hours ago

No, not everyone who got long covid didn't take it seriously. But the people who were super spreaders or spread misinformation are certainly to blame.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 hours ago

They don't give a shit, unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 hours ago

They got their Applebees. Does’t matter.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

great.

remember when all the politicians and people who control things got covid?

What a totally normal and cool planet this is.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 14 hours ago

They were already shitheads.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 14 hours ago

If it makes you feel any better, those demographics were already suffering from lead gas exposure.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

What turns regular COVID into long COVID? When I got COVID I was better after 2 weeks but I had a nagging cough and chest discomfort for 2 months

[–] [email protected] 58 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

It's very subjective. You can read more about it by searching around, but the prevailing definition means people who had more severe reactions to the infection than the average patient, which almost unanimously means a severe and prolonged inflammatory response.

What they are finding more and more is that this specific virus triggers undiagnosed or dormant autoimmune responses in patients. If you're familiar with Rheumatism at all, imagine a massive reaction to, say, twisting your ankle, but it goes out of control and causes swelling all over your body including your brain, lungs, heart, and renal system. This is actually what killed the most patients pre-vaccination.

The full body assault of an inflammatory response just makes the body unable to cope, and things start shutting down. It can kill children and older people very easily if you can't get it under control. Many succumbed to Pneumonia, but those that lived had damage to their major internal organs from the inflammatory response. You can also see some had been using the term "Walking COVID", meaning people who had cleared the infection, but had long term sustained symptoms similar to Emphysema. They've since just moved on to calling everything "Long COVID". Some people recover, some people don't.

This study finally identified the specific damage and detection to brain activity.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

People don't get it. The inflammatory process can do these sort of thing to any organ or system, or parts of them.

People got a thing called COVID Toe. This is where you and every person already has some fungus that live on their feet and which gets into the skin and toenails. Maybe you have a little yellowing of the toenails or you're just "prone to athletes foot."

Then you get COVID and suddenly your immune system is working overtime. The fungus starts to multiply faster and spreads more aggressively. Your toes start to get itchy and red, more than usual. They swell. They yellow. Then they start to crack and ooze, possibly requiring surgical debridement or in the most severe cases, such as where the patient already had diabetes affecting their peripheral nerves, amputation of the foot to prevent necrosis and sepsis. Imagine dying from athletes foot because your immune system was overwhelmed fighting a coronavirus.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Interesting. I had an increase in fungal presence, but I figured it was excessive boot usage due to starting motorcycle riding 5 months after my first covid infection. It clear near winter for the most part but I wonder if I just hadn't noticed the initial spread.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

Very possible. There was a group of podiatrists who wanted to add athletes foot as a primary symptom of COVID. I can't seem to find their letter right now. Google really sucks these days.

It's a serious virus. People don't realize. Just because most people fight it off like a flu doesn't mean is was as easy on your body for it to do so. Imagine if we had a president that didn't treat it as a joke. Might be a few million people still alive.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 18 hours ago (8 children)

I'm still afraid of long-c. I insisted that we wore masks in airports and on flights when we took a trip last month. We live life in a normal fashion everywhere else (because we're vaxxed and boosted), but I wasn't willing to risk that environment.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Why just planes? Surely this would apply to all public transport.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

If they're US American, a plane is likely the only public transportation they've ever taken. If they live anywhere remotely rural, it's likely the only one available to them.

Signed, -An American

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

I was going to say "almost every American takes a school bus at one point in their life" then I looked it up and was disgusted to find that recently more children are driven to school than take the bus.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It's absolutely ridiculous how many people drive their kids to school. The traffic reduction during fall break last week was astounding.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It's absolutely ridiculous how hard the school systems make it to get on a bus route.

You basically have to stay at the same residence and at the same school for their entire education. Even just moving within the district and they use it as an excuse to "put you on a wait list".

Add in the shortage of drivers (who wants that job) and any excuse they can use to change boundaries or cut a route.

It's like the fucking DMV on steroids.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago

I am curious where you are located, this has not been my experience working closely with our schools.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

I walk to work ten minutes to work. Partner and I each have cars. We take uber when we want to avoid driving.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 17 hours ago

Airports and planes see a lot of traffic from all over the world constantly rotating through. With some variation depending on the size of the city and your personal schedule, you're running into more of the same people on normal public transport.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ooo interesting. The parallels with CFS are fascinating.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 15 hours ago

Chronic fatigue syndrome.

It's another one like long covid where so much of the medical community thinks it's all in people's heads and not real, but unlike long covid it's less prevalent and thus studied less. We still don't know what it is.

There's even some hopes that figuring out long covid might lead to new ways to look into what cfs really is.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I wasn't even aware of that. chronic fatigue syndrome was actually real.

I thought I was just like side- depression.

is there anything known about CFS?

what causes it or how long it lasts or anything?

I know nothing about it except for like a comedy sketch from the 2000s at some point.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (13 children)

Lifelong disease usually triggered by viral infections. Very functionally disabling.

Known immune abnormalities which seem to affect the brain and mitochondria. I think @[email protected] is specialised in it.

Also “chronic fatigue syndrome” was the name back when it was classified as psychological. Now that it’s classified as neuroimmune the name has been changed to Myalgic Encephalomyelitsis (ME) (Or ME/CFS).

As usual though for a medium quality source like ScienceAlert, the article is written by someone who has no specialisation in Long COVID/ME, or even medicine. So there’s a bit of oversimplification and overstating findings from one study in that article. Very few researchers think it’s a brain injury. Most think the immune system has been compromised (with some deficiencies and abnormalities) and it’s affecting the brain in unknown ways (hence the abnormalities found. It’s weird though because the immune system problems seem to cause some immunodeficiencies but also autoimmune reactions. They’ll need to be quite a bit more studies before we get a clear picture.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Couldn’t have said it better. And yes, science journalism often is basically repeating and dumbing down what a study says, but in science, and especially in medicine, a lot of studies tend to be wrong, make false assumptions, or overstate their findings, while journalists tend to take them for their word. There’s a reason you hear of a new cancer treatment in the news every other week but few actually make it past FDA approval.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

CFS is a syndrome rather than a disease because, until recently, it only presented as symptoms instead of as an identifiable problem with a person. I know that a some people who get diagnosed for CFS get later diagnoses as neurological disorders like multiple sclerosis.

It sounds like the more powerful MRI scanners are seeing inflammation in the rest of those suffering from CFS.

That would mean CFS is a lifelong degenerative condition.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (3 children)

Hey I’m a researcher who works on ME (in the past called CFS).

ME/CFS is currently classified as a disease/biological illness according to the CDC.

ME is a disease state in itself. We don’t know much about it, but it can’t be explained by other diagnoses, as the defining factor, neuro-immune abnormalities including immune activation showing up post exertion is unique to it. You’re completely right that we don’t yet have a reliable biomarker. We have a test that differentiates from healthy controls, but it was discontinued for ethical reasons because conducting the test leads to a sometimes permanent worsening of the illness.

In the past it’s been mixed up and jumbled a lot, but the picture is getting clearer.

There have been a few case reports of degenerative forms of the illness. But in general it takes a more classical relapsing remitting pattern. Although even in less bad stages some patients are severely functionally disabled, even bedridden and tubefed. It has a really wide range of severities with the least severely affected able to work part time and walk and travel, while the most severe might not even be able to communicate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Hey I'd really love to go into a short (although not necessarily immediate) exchange with you. I have MS diagnosed, recently died (not kidding) possibly due to PROMM and also yet another neurological skin disease and am wondering if my head should maybe be scanned differently now in this context.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I have a friend who's now living with ME. Any resources for the general public to better understand the condition?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

This Podcast Will Kill You EP 137: ME/CFS did a great episode. They also have their sources so if you need a deeper dive you can read the articles.

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