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[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've always said the difference between a true conspiracy theorist and a fucking loon is proof.

There's tons of stuff we know happened and have almost overwhelming proof of but the powers that be for some reason will not prosecute, that's a conspiracy and they might even be part of it.

If you believe that a myriad aliens are pretending to be human and secretly controlling the world and the only immediate proof is that we are becoming more inclusive, you're a fucking loon.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I disagree. Once there’s proof you aren’t a conspiracy theorist, you’re just someone who believes in evidence based reality. I’d argue that it’s evidence and a believable narrative.

At one point you were a complete loon for believing the us government was attempting to do mind control using lsd. Then after the evidence was leaked you were a bit of a conspiracy theorist. Now after it’s been admitted to by the us government you’re a loon if you insist it didn’t happen.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

"Conspiracy" assumes the government is functioning in a fundamentally honest manner.

In the 70s, the public was frankly shocked to learn about the Watergate Scandal, because they assumed America operated in a fundamentally honest manner.

After Watergate, the "conspiracy theorist" developed. Because if Watergate is true, what else is going on?

Around that time, AM radio was looking for new programming after the public's music listening transitioned to FM and we got a steady diet of extremist religious programming and Conspiracy-laden talk radio. Shortly after the Fairness Doctrine ended and things really took.off. One of the biggest TV series of the 90s was the X-files.

Anyways, if you have a conspiratorial government (e.g.China), you're not a "conspiracy theorist" to believe in conspiracy. There are very obvious conspiracies at work.

The corruption epidemic the US is now facing (post Citizens United) means we no longer assume we have a fundamentally honest government.

"Conspiracy theorist" is dead. Our government is fundamentally conspiring.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Conspiracy hypothesisizer

[–] [email protected] 109 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mean it's classic Orwellianism to make up wild claims so that they seem normal when you do it. It's also called hypernormalization. Say crazy outlandish thing that doesn't exist. Then when it happens no one is surprised. The Big Lie. Etc.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Not sure if you got hypernormalisation right.
It's when state, population and even opposition play along by their known roles in a common, simplified fake-reality, ignoring a looming collapse, pretending everything is fine because noone can imagine a life outside the predominant system.
Haha, how crazy would that be, right?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Conspiracy theorists aren't actually truth seekers. They're not out to discover the truth. They want to proclaim the truth and feel like special people who have hidden knowledge so they can feel superior. It's all about their ego, their sense of security, and nothing else.

All of this stuff is out in the open for all to see so the theorist nut jobs don't get to feel special by trying to expose it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Conspiracy theorists disagree with official narratives. They are lie finders, not truth seekers.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If they were any good at it they'd be employed as journalists and win Pullitzer Prizes for their work. Nixon having his goons break into a hotel to steal information from his opposition is a hell of a "conspiracy theory". But we don't consider it that because Woodward and Bernstein put in the work to find the evidence.

Your typical internet conspiracy theorists are just plain lazy and very susceptible to selection bias. They make up things to fill in the gaps of their theories and refuse to change the made up bits even when they find evidence to the contrary. The general contrarianism of the internet pushes people to think the opposite of establish facts.

In the end it's just a mess of made up shit that conforms to the emotions of the person that made it up. These conspiracy theories are promoted among those with similar feelings. They push way more lies than anyone else.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Your typical internet conspiracy theorists

I don't think this exists as a group.

They make up things to fill in the gaps of their theories

Yes. The big difference between conspiracy theories and (good) journalism. Sometimes these gaps are highlighted as speculation, but often they are not. The more evidence a conspiracy theory has backing it, the closer it gets to journalism.

refuse to change the made up bits even when they find evidence to the contrary.

People like this are super easy to argue against because you can provide the supporting evidence and they shut up.

The general contrarianism of the internet pushes people to think the opposite of establish facts.

I don't think it is contrarianism. In previous decades traditional media had a monopoly on one to many communication. Now anyone can broadcast any information, true and false, to a worldwide audience.

In the end it's just a mess of made up shit that conforms to the emotions of the person that made it up.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

These conspiracy theories are promoted among those with similar feelings. They push way more lies than anyone else.

Easy to do. For example, you are now expressing a feeling, not stating a fact.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The good ones are lie finders... The shitty, usually conservative, ones like the post is talking about love to spew their own garbage "truths"... Definitely not truth seekers, just "truth" spewers

Edit: like=lie

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't think the group of people who are the subject of the post (e.g. Qanon supporters) would call themselves conspiracy theorists.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Can't lie...I know next to nothing about qanon or it's people, so you may be right

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

I've never met one, but I have seen them on TV (documentary). They seem very keen to follow random posts on 4chan, but they question absolutely nothing.

People that I've discussed conspiracy theories with usually don't believe anything, even other conspiracies.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 days ago

It's almost as if the Right was playing the game of "Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty"

Ya know, like Gobbels told Hitler to do.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago

"Truth isn't funny. Batter just made up my own, it make me feel better."

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Real conspiracies don’t even bother hiding. They have the power to do whatever they want, so they just tell us this is what’s happening now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

On the internet, the first to make an accusation wins. If if the accusation is false, they still win. So even when they actually do the things they falsely accuse others of doing, they've already won the argument on the internet.

"You're just accusing us of doing what you did" is stronger than "You're now doing what you accused us of in the past" when the rhetoric is more important than the facts.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's just not true. The orange guy isn't a billionaire

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

He's their useful idiot!

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 days ago

It is known. Their justification is that it was done to them in 2020 so its fair that they do it now.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago (3 children)

This isn't greentext though.

[–] thisisnotgoingwell 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

As someone who has used 4 chan but never spent any considerable time there, what's the difference? When is the text green?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Greentext involves using the > sign to indicate or imply actions, thoughts, states of being, etc. Often used to tell a narrative.

> be me
> went to the store
> bought eggs
> got home
> half the eggs were cracked
> mfw
[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Saddest story I've ever heard, anon

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Don't worry, it was fake and gay, and just an example.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Can't believe they'd sell gay eggs

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Don't get him started on the frog eggs

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

People seem to be upvoting and enjoying the discussion on this one, so I think we can let it slide this time.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

the more concerning conspiracy for the right is that a black person might be president, again

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Even worse! It's going to be a women. A black woman.

The right will fill with anger if that happens.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But that's boring stuff, you can't make yourself superior to others if you believe in this stuff...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I sure feel superior to the MAGA tresh tho 🚮

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Sure, so do I... but that's a mighty low bar!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

"Conspiracy theories" aren't about conspirators, they're about feeling smarter than everyone else.

Noticing when powerful morons commit crimes in plain sight doesn't make your brain do the happy juice.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago

They're tribalists, not idealists. In other words, it's on their side now so they don't mind. I see a lot of people always attacking the double standard aspect, but its not the point. They don't mind double standards, they just want their tribe to win.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago

Make that 3 sex traffickers, he's friends with Vince McMahon.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

It's not about the thought process or logic. Many of these people have been taught to only use their emotions for decision making.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

their first mistake was to post this on 4chan where there are multiple new threads about poop every day. it's like screaming into a landfill.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

screaming into a diaper*

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You use that seemingly as a means to discredit the site, but if you actually read the article, you'd see that it's very explicit about the speculative nature of its subject. It makes no false claims; it only describes an interesting (if improbable) theory and attempts to explain the rationale behind its inception. Seems above board to me.