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The guy who used Midjourney to create an award-winning piece of AI art demands copyright protections.

Excuse me while I go grab my popcorn.

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

First off, stop calling him an AI artist.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Calling someone a prompt "engineer" should be punishable by law.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

meanwhile startups: prompt coder/wizard!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 weeks ago

please call them rockstars i want to see them suffer the way real programmers did

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It's literally what they are !

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 weeks ago

But...

The AI is the artist!

Not sure what this other guy is doing though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago

The term is apparently prompt-fondler now.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

One of the reasons I like AI art is that it's pretty settled law that something produced by purely "mechanical" means can't itself have copyright, since copyright requires both originality and a human author.

It seems like a reasonably compromise, the AI was created by hoovering up the commons, so anything it creates should belong to the commons. I expect a lot of lobbying in the future to try and change it though.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

And if AI work would be copyrighted by the "prompt artist" then all the artists whose work is in the training set can sue the prompter for profiting of their work without licensing fees. It would be a legal clusterfuck so it was pretty wise to side step the whole issue.

[–] JackbyDev 2 points 4 weeks ago

AI art requires more input though. Like a song made on a computer is still copyrightable. We've yet to see a court decide if writing a prompt is enough to copyright the output.

I'm of a split mind because getting good results from it is more difficult than people think but it's often not as hard as ai users make it out to be. And it doesn't help people emotionally when AI models are trained on already copyrighted stuff without permission, but that's more like asking if you could copyright the content you make with a pirated copy of Photoshop in my opinion.

I haven't made my mind up on this and my opinion flips a lot. If someone is doing something like modifying a prompt over a few iterations, maybe using infill to make a "composite", then getting a single image at the end they claim as their creation, I think that's fine. If people just sort of throw a prompt in and then make thousands of images and claim all of them are their creations then I have a verily difficult time seeing that as something other than "machine output."

A scary thought is that case law on this might be determined by which sort of these two approaches ends up in court first. Imagine the more valid type above ending up there first (even if you view it as invalid it's definitely more valid than the other lol) and a jury agreeing it's a unique creation. It just protects all the AI slop creators more. But if the reverse happens, it could affect what people view as real artists. Just a random, extreme example: Someone uses a little AI on an otherwise totally original piece to do something like add good looking wrinkles to fabric. Is it suddenly not copyrightable? Could I now steal this and put it on shirts? It's just sort of scary because we don't know what's going to happen when it actually goes to court.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

I'm in the same boat. Every time someone reads one of my comments and doesn't pay me for it, that's money out of my pocket. It's a hard life being an internet commenter these days.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago

You laugh but I seriously think people should be getting a cut if they are building a non-open LLM by commenting.

Member how people defended free price of gmail? I member.

[–] JackbyDev 1 points 4 weeks ago

Generally you sign that right away in website's terms of use by giving them the right to display content you submit. (I know this is a joke though.)

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

AI art might not be real, but Sonic giving birth to Borat is an extremely cool concept that people should be celebrated for drawing

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago

Dude, you can’t end it in such a rad way and expect us to despise the prompt input guy.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh no, the consequences of your own actions! That art competition should just add a rule "only copyrightable works"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Apparently, the competition was a year before that ruling.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 weeks ago

And he's still crying about it?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

"Famous AI 'Prompter' Says He's Losing Millions of Dollars From People Stealing His Stolen Work."

Seems like you did this to yourself, bud. You're just mad you didn't get paid enough for stealing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

“Famous” is accurate, but change to “Infamous” and it’s perfect.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago

He sure to become "infamous" now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I'm not even sure I'd consider him a guapo, much less El Guapo

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 weeks ago

If he is considered "Artist" I am too.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 weeks ago

This is actually the art bit, right? He’s doing conceptual art, like that Banksy that shredded itself upon sale.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

I'm collecting all his tears to cook a big pot of pasta. Not sure how anyone would make "millions of dollars" from a single artwork anyway.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago

Money laundering.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago

its probably fictionally calculated like sales are to piracy. just because someone pirated a game/software doesnt mean they would have bought said thing at asking price had the piracy option not existed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago

This is the schadenfreude I needed to get through my day

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago

Be an 1880 impressionnist, paint an artwork, die.

Now it's worth a million, possibly.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 weeks ago

How much did the real artists lose out on in order to train the AI?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 weeks ago

Lol, lmao even

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

How is he losing millions of dollars? If you're just trying to get into the art fraud money laundering scheme thing then make an NFT and find an idiot. But just the creation of a piece (be it traditional, digital, or "ai") doesn't entitle you to a payout. And if you're just complaining about the dissemination of the piece you asked someone else's computer to generate for you without a kick back link tax, well--that's not how copyright, the internet, or normal human correspondence works.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Ah, good ol' music industry math. "1,000 people downloaded a picture that I created, and I wanted to charge $1,000 a piece, so I lost $1,000,000." In reality of course charging $0.02 would've stopped most sales.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah, articles are including the image because they can. If a judge had instead ruled that AI generated works were copyrightable (and to the prompter, not the designer of the tool, owner of the hardware, or even the tool itself) the end result would be that very few orgs would include his piece instead just opting for generating their own (now copyrightable) image to use as an example. He'd still get nothing, but then significantly fewer people would see his "work."

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 weeks ago

[Nelson Laugh]

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 weeks ago

lol get fucked loser. (the "artist", not OP)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 weeks ago

He is not being the neighborly neighbor Mr Rogers wanted him to be.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago

He's losing imaginary, A.I generated money.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago

Oh I sure hope he sets a bad legal precedent for AI "art".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago

Read headline, ok. Look for Onion source... fuck.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

The "artist":

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago

This is like piracy, just because you claim you loose money, doesn't mean any sane being would pay you even if it was necessary, most would rather just not.

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