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By default, Lemmy allows downvotes globally. However, when a server disables downvoting, it is similar to using a feature that is usually reserved for enterprises and very small, non-federated communities.

If a user prefer to not see downvotes, they can disable it by his favourite client settings, but the rest of the community should not miss this functionality for the pleasure of few users.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Forced positivity is toxic positivity.

Removing an interaction choice from users can only result in lower quality user interaction.

Removing the capacity for downvotes harms the community.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

The problem with downvotes in LemmyNSFW was very specific to that instance and its sexual nature. It boils down to the typical user doing the following:

  • people use downvotes to signal "I don't want to see this"
  • most people want to see naked women, not naked men
  • the instance is supposed to be inclusive towards people who want to see either

As a result, content geared towards gay+bi men, hetero+bi women, and plenty non-binary people was consistently downvoted - and it was discouraging genuine OC for those demographics.

It was totally a band-aid measure, mind you. But it kind of worked?

An actual solution for that issue would be to require people to tag their content, and allow posters to pick what they want to see based on those tags. But for that you'd need further improvement of the software.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sounds like they should have more LGBT ~~subreddits~~ (communities? Is that the term?)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

They do, but once you hop into the "local" view you see all of those posts. And the users, instead of blocking those communities as "content that is not relevant for me, but might be for someone else", simply downvote the posts as a knee-jerk reaction.

(Yup, communities. I typically shorten it to comms.)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Porn should definitely be separated into categories, because there is a lot of content that a lot of people don’t want to see.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (4 children)

An actual solution for that issue would be to require people to tag their content, and allow posters to pick what they want to see based on those tags. But for that you’d need further improvement of the software.

I would argue the actual solution is to curate your feed by subscribing to communities you enjoy and "unsubscribing" from the ones. You can even create your home (or whatever the subscribed feed is called) feed for your "finer" taste and then block communities you don't want to see in the "All" feed.

That's how I've set up my Lemmy. I have my home feed for niche communities that generally don't end up in the all feed, and for general news I have the All feed where I've selectively blocked out communities I really don't care about. Ideally I would like to set up multiple feed because there are some communities that are so small they don't end up in my home feed either. I would need a separate feed for the extra niche communities so I could participate in them and help them grow larger.

While a tag system could achieve something similar I feel like tags would probably be more annoying to use because you'll be at the mercy of whomever sets the tag. If you look at how people use tags on Steam the tags can easily overreach. I had blocked sexual content tag on Steam to get rid of sex games, and it blocked Baldur's Gate 3. Technically Baldur's gate 3 contains sexual content but there's a world of difference between an RPG with sexual content and an actual porn game. I think Valve added some other way to filter out adult games so now I use that and I don't even bother with tags.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I do not care enough, because here on lemmy.world it isn't a thing. But I see you're from lemmynsfw. I vaguely remember a thread where the disabling of downvotes was discussed and to this day I do not understand why people are afraid of downvotes on their wanking material.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

They disabled downvotes because they want to encourage people to post porn of themselves not just to repost stuff. Getting downvoted for posting your own work isn't encouraging and essentially kills communities before they even start.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

This actually makes sense. Thanks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

If ur posting shit u don't want to build a community on that. I recon they did it simply to push an agenda of unpopular crap that most people (on lemmy) dont wanna see ie dudes and fat chicks, they got downvoted for a reason. Now i guess everyone needs to get used to a liberal application of the block button.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

As I understand it, the reasoning is that someone posts a picture of their gaping arsehole and it gets downvoted because of the horrid hairy mole on the left cheek, it might dissuade them from posting pictures of their naked breasts — which might be more in line with the community's aesthetic sensibilities — in the future.

Which, frankly, seems kind of reasonable.

Lemmy does need more user engagement. Even if you discount the 99% of posts by repost bots, reddit's maggoty corpse still has one or two orders of magnitude more user engagement, which means more tits and gaping arseholes, even if some of them have moles. Anything that makes people more comfortable posting original smut (and other kinds of content, I suppose) here is welcome.

That said, I think this only should apply to posts, not comments, and only in specific communities. Downvoting gaping orange arseholes in political news communities, for instance, should not only be allowed but even encouraged.

(Personally I still downvote everything anyway; it might not affect the vote count, but it makes me feel better.)

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Downvotes on lemmynsfw were being used to bully people who posted pictures of themselves. They weren't always disabled. But they became a problem and the instance felt that downvotes didn't belong in a porn instance.

There was no reason to downvotes a porn post. Ever.

If it breaks the rules, report it. If you don't like it, keep scrolling.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It would make sense if the end result was to prevent downvotes on NSFW posts by any user, but that's not how it works in practice. My lemmynsfw account can't downvote anything, but my other accounts can downvote anything (federated).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

I like being able to downvote using my main account, but on lemmynsfw it really needed to be removed. People were downvoting literally everything that didn't fit into their fetishes, so anything that wasn't straight and and vanilla would go into the negatives. Like, I'm not into mascs, but I still think they should be able to post to gonewild. Even posts in gay-specific subs were getting downvoted en masse.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

You choose what instance you use. If you don't like the choice you made, choose again.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

they're disabled on hexbear.net, take a wild guess why

spoilerit's to protect their circlejerk

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Originated and enabled well before there were other active Lemmy instances or possibly even federation of any sort. It was put in place to stop anti-trans harassment.

Plus AFAIK it’s only truly applicable within Hexbear itself. The main effect it has is that a Hexbear user can’t downvote anything on any instance with their account.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

If you simply forced the ordering to be by new/newest comment, votes in either direction would become irrelevant. But that also means that only the most active users will ever see a bulk of the content when it is relevant, or at all.

[–] JackbyDev 1 points 1 week ago

Have you actually talked to admins and members of instances where downvotes are disabled about this?

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