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The multinational has removed dozens of apps, even though the Kremlin’s censorship body did not order the move. These services, half-permitted by the government, enable people in Russia to access social networks and independent media

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[–] [email protected] 111 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The U.S. company — whose phones are still sold in Russian stores despite the firm officially leaving the market due to the invasion of Ukraine...

Apple taking a brave stand as ever.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago

Is your expectation that Apple will send in troops to raid phone stores inside of Russia?

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 months ago (3 children)

This is why you don't buy into closed-garden ecosystems like this. If you're on iOS, there's nothing you can do about it, you're at their mercy. Android has great support for side loading. There's really only one choice if you care about freedom.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is why you don’t buy into closed-garden ecosystems like this.

You can absolutely set up a VPN without any app, thus your argument of how this is a reason why the walled-garden concept is flawed. iOS also has side-loading btw :)

There’s really only one choice if you care about freedom.

There really isn't just one choice if you care about freedom, it's ironic you think a singular choice is the way forward anyway when talking about freedom. Really interesting how you shape this narrative based on zero facts.

Lastly, I think it's very funny that you think Google is someone you can trust to give you freedom

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

You've replied to like 5 other of my comments the exact same thing at this point. Like I replied to the other guy, my comment is not saying you can't set up a VPN without an app, even though that's a very rare method of doing so regardless. Apple is literally a closed garden, that does not change anything lol.

Also no, like I said in my other comment, you can't side load. What you think is a "gotcha" is that there's a work around where you register a developer account and load an unofficial application that way. You know very well yourself that Apple does not want you sideloading, and this is not meant for consumer applications, and that it is easily blockable at any point by Apple. That is why the EU is constantly hitting Apple with anti-trust and anti-competition lawsuits. This has literally been proven in court, it is not an opinion. You are being incredibly bad faith for no reason. Apple does not want you sideloading, Android does.

Also AOSP is not Google. Though in reality, Google phones tend to support alternative operating systems the best. Even if that stopped being the case and they went locked down suddenly, there are still tons of other Android manufacturers out there that can have their bootloader unlocked and run their entirely own degoogled ecosystems. So you should probably know what you're talking about, but you think this is a brand vs brand debate or something. It's not, Android is simply designed around side-loading, is officially supported, and intended by consumers. iOS is not. It's not complicated.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

You can side load on iPhone, it’s just not as easy. I have multiple side loaded apps.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Suspicious!

You can use most VPN services via the Wireguard or OpenVPN apps though, or even via some of the protocols natively supported by iOS not requiring any third-party app.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Normies never heard about wireguard nor openvpn, this enough to deter a lot of ppl imo

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Oh I'm not trying to imply otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The issue is 3rd party apps make it easier for non-techie people to subvert censorship. Raising the bar works bigly in the Kremlin's favor.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

side-loading in iOS has been possible for some time now

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Absolutely, in addition to this, you can sideload apps as well without issue. I do it all the time

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I see no mention of what they actually removed or how reputable they are. "VPN apps" are a reasonably common approach to spyware. (Common enough that literally Facebook has done it.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You mean vpn apps deploy spyware?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They're a good actual mechanism for spyware, because they see all your traffic.

Https means that they can't see the actual contents without installing a root certificate, but they can see all the sites you visit and for how long. Reputable providers (at least the good ones) do not log any of this, but you should have a high level of trust in a provider to use their VPN, because they see a lot still.

That doesn't mean that they didn't ban legit VPNs. I don't know. But it doesn't really qualify as "reporting news" without at least a list of the apps that were banned, because they're providing no information at all about the legitimacy of the apps, and it's a category appealing to bad actors.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

thanks apple. putin is scum and the longer his goons enjoy a normal life the worse. make russian lives as bad as possible so we can have ukraine back.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The average russian citizen is not putin’s goon

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Indeed, the goons don't care, they use Russian services

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

keep telling that to yourself. just because they dont act like what you consider a goon doesnt mean they arent. we have this saying: if 9 ppl sit at a table and 1 nazi sits down with them and none walks away, bam, you have 10 nazis. so.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

An entire fucking country isn’t a small gathering bro, are you high

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

make russian lives as bad as possible

Wasn't that the Shock Doctrine strategy from back in 1996? Anyone remember what followed?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

wrong year. making russian lives bad was before it successfully ended the terrible UDSSR regime.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

That's an incredibly curious reading of the Cold War. I'm going to run off and assume you thought the world economy was doing great in the 1980s except in the Soviet Bloc?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Not familiar with iphones, can't you just use plain wireguard?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Whoops! Did they put them back I hope?