Source: https://v-dem.net/documents/44/v-dem_dr2024_highres.pdf page 7
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This data is depressing u_u
Yeah, I need more than two samples. If we went with 1976 and 2000 I'm guessing it would be reversed.
Unfortunately this is legit. Pretty much every democracy index such as the EIU’s find similar results, with democracy peaking somewhere between on or two decades ago, and consistently deteriorating since. I wrote my bachelors thesis (a decent while ago) about this very phenomenon. (Democratic backsliding).
The powerful few are currently winning
It's happened more than once though, right?
I think the big thing we're all worrying about is whether this is a blip, or this is a French-revolution-style turning point. At least, that's where my mind goes. It sounds like you're qualified to help clear it up a bit.
Well last time it happened for such a prolonged period was 1930-1945, so the precedent isn’t great.
Fun. Fun fun fun. /s
Please vote, Americans; we all have a guess who Wiemar Germany is this time around.
I wonder if our attention to politics is what causes it to have such power.
No, that would be the guns. Try blatantly ignoring the legislation of your choice, and any lesser penalties, and you'll get a demonstration.
Maybe you've forgotten in all the stupid pageantry, which is understandable, but at the end of the day that's what it's about: who gets to write the laws.
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This is not a fun one
The first step is to identify the problem
Theres only one world pie, its deteriorating, and a tiny fraction of people own more than half of it?
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Neoliberalism broke democracy.
People are willing to vote for someone, anyone, who promises to make things better because they're tired of bootlicking milquetoast corporatists that'll give a tax break to a billionaire but will charge you user fees for breathing.
We need to vote for politicians that will actually improve things, instead of either rainbow-bench-painting wage-thieves or protofascist grifters.
Saying "broke" implies that liberal democracy previously worked, but now doesn't. I doubt that's what you meant. The two main camps are that it still works, albeit less, and that it never worked, and either there never was a democracy or the USSR was the real democracy.
What happens when democracy itself becomes a partisan issue? What happens when Democratic Values don't correspond with continuous economic growth (or, at least, the appearance of it as reported by your news outlet of choice)? What happens when democracy becomes unpopular and demagogues are seen as a social good?
It's a paradox of sorts. If a savvy enough media campaign or a cynical set of bureaucrats can turn people against the mechanisms of self-representation, how can a democracy survive?
John Locke would tell you it can't.
People largely don't deserve democracy. They tend to choose kings, so long as they don't remember being ruled by one.
They tend to choose kings
I don't think people have a lot of agency in a liberal democracy. In my experience, the politicians tend to select their voters - via gerrymander and disenfranchisement and strategic GOTV.
Popular views are poorly represented, but the avenues for opposition are walled in by State and private police forces.
This sours people on what feels increasingly like a farce, and poisons popular opinion against the idea of a true functional democratic system.
Sure, a good autocracy will always be more effective and fairer than a good democracy. The greek already knew that.
They also knew that a bad autocracy will always be worse than a bad democracy.
And you have no idea what you will get with an autocrat, they change over time, they make new enemies out of you, what is good for some is bad for others...
So democracy is not just about giving people what they want or representing their views, it is about damage limitation between all the established "mafias" vying for power and a ruleset for peaceful evolution.
To make it worse, some modern societies hide de facto autocracy or oligarchy under democracy, which may sour you towards democracy.
Sure, a good autocracy will always be more effective and fairer than a good democracy. The greek already knew that.
The Greeks thought that. By actual empirical measures democracies do unambiguously better, beyond what can be explained by individual leaders. It comes down to autocracies never actually being one man rule, because the lower downs have their own agendas and palace intrigues, too.
The rest of my comment addresses that. The "good king" father figure does a lot of heavy lifting for autocracy in people's subconscious (even Plato's haha), but it is inevitable for a "benevolent monarch" with the mandate to "fix everything" to turn sour and abuse power, the variance of one single individual's performance and world iew is too high. Aristotle writes about some of this too.
Sure, a good autocracy will always be more effective and fairer than a good democracy. The greek already knew that.
They also knew that a bad autocracy will always be worse than a bad democracy.
Autocracy is good for the cronies. The theory of Democracy is that you make everyone a potential crony and create political incentive for a broad egalitarian base of support.
So democracy is not just about giving people what they want or representing their views, it is about damage limitation between all the established “mafias” vying for power and a ruleset for peaceful evolution.
But in practice, this doesn't work. Cartels are an effective tool to undermine democracy via Divide and Conquer of the natural social subunits.
Mafias build strong bonds of trust and shared economic advantage at the expense of their neighbors. They form internal patronage networks that promise more than a fair share of reward for compromised ideology and ethics. They also foment superstition and FUD that polarize people against one another.
To make it worse, some modern societies hide de facto autocracy or oligarchy under democracy, which may sour you towards democracy.
The perception of hidden selfish cartels operating underneath broad egalitarian institutions is what ultimately undermine them.
That is why mass media has such a major role to play in democracy. And why privatization of media ultimately leads to a failed democracy.
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Osama Bin Laden got what he wanted
Could one explanation be that democratic countries have less children, than autocratic countries?
There is a correlation but please don't draw the same conclusion as that one weird guy who has 12 children and ran out of pronounceable names that include his favorite letter.
India is like 18% of the world population, so it becoming an autocracy explains most of the population swing.
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The more educated the people are the more likely they are to support democracy. However the fertility rate goes down with education.
Great stuff. Fuck.
How much of that can be blamed on social media?
Somewhere between none and all of it.
It would make total sense if changing the way we communicate causes a change in which social structures work, but the first theories about it (radicalising echo chambers) turned out to be empirically wrong. Now there's new theories that connect the two, but on the other hand this isn't the first episode of democratic backsliding, so it's possible they're not connected at all, or only mildly connected.
Social media is what let some people even fight back in the first place.
Yeah, the Arab spring didn't really make a huge impact in the end, but it definitely had the potential, and that was down to social media.
One of the new theories I've seen is that people, through social media, are being exposed to more viewpoints they disagree with, and radicalising in response - in other words not enough echo chambers. Using the opposite argument to support the same conclusion is suspicious as hell.
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