this post was submitted on 17 Aug 2024
1609 points (99.3% liked)

Open Source

31710 readers
252 users here now

All about open source! Feel free to ask questions, and share news, and interesting stuff!

Useful Links

Rules

Related Communities

Community icon from opensource.org, but we are not affiliated with them.

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Mastodon Post.

Apk Link: https://cdn.organicmaps.app/apk/OrganicMaps-24081605-GooglePlay.apk

Note: If you don't want to deal with stuff like this, I recommend you download and use it from F-Droid client or Accrescent AppStore.

Update: The app returned to the App Store.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 249 points 4 months ago (5 children)

It's Google.

I'm certain that "Common violations" = "competes with our own products".

[–] [email protected] 129 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It's highly unlikely that this app even comes up on the radar insofar as competing with Google Maps.

The answer is probably more mundane - an automated system made an incorrect call. It keeps happening when it comes to these Play Store app reviews.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Or some troll decided it would be funny to report it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago

Most likely scenario in my opinion too.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

Indeed. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"—or, in this case, an unaudited automated process. Now, I'm sure the fact that it competes with one of their products meant that they were in no particular hurry to address the issue, but I'm sure the original failure was process related, not anti-competitive practices.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 188 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Hmm.

Never really looked into it before.

Now I downloaded it.

Google's strategy seems to have backfired, in my case.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

technically true but the original Streisand effect was about an image that had been downloaded six times before the lawsuit; Organic Maps is definitely a lot less obscure than that

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 112 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The amount of corporate control that has slowly and insidiously crept into our lives will never cease to amaze me.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Capitalism baby. Gotta cannibalize, monopolize, and enshittifize for maximum profits.

giggles in F-Droid

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 79 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If this story blows up, organic maps is going to get so many more downloads and hopefully contributions.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I have been eyeing this crowd sourced map thing for a week or two. When I read this headline today I learned there was a centralized app for it. I immediately downloaded it.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 76 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yet another reminder that Google is an unreliable company. Install Fdroid tonavoid Google's mistakes.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Hopium question: Can Google be sued for this as anti-competitive behavior and fined for "lost revenue"?

[–] [email protected] 48 points 4 months ago (2 children)

In theory yes. In practice or will require enormous resources to build a case against the army of layers that Google and the other giants can afford. I believe only the government now is big enough to do it, with the antitrust law.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Which I'm pretty sure they're already gunning for Google, so this might be more evidence for their case.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 59 points 4 months ago (1 children)

When listing an app on the app store, there is a footgun to watch out for. One of the questions it asks is "Is this app made for children" or "is this app intended for children" or something like that. If you say "yes" to this then that triggers extra stringent evaluation criteria. Many people will accidentally choose yes for their app because it's a general purpose app which anyone can use (no porn, violence, etc) but that is a mistake. The intent of that question is to find apps that are ONLY for children to use and to evaluate them differently in order to keep children safe.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I was looking into this recently, and even games like Roblox are labelled Teen (even though I think it's obvious they target younger children).

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

Roblox would never pass a child review. There's literal gambling on that shit.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Thank you, Google. Now I'm using it and contributing to OpenStreetMap :D

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Thanks again google. I had never heard of this app until you banned it. Now I'm running it on my phone. Top notch advertising for your competition.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

Same, downloaded it and gee it's so much better

[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This is insane. What on earth could possibly constitute adult content on a navigation app? Are they going to start age-gating points of interest, like, if the destination address is a strip club in Virginia you have verify?

Edit: looks like it was added back. maybe just a mistake? https://fosstodon.org/@organicmaps/112982935184446753

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago (3 children)

This app is great. If it offered some sort of traffic aware navigation routing I would use it as my daily driver. I live in the city and traffic conditions can make a huge difference. Unfortunately, I don't think it has this capability. Hopefully someday.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The problem with live traffic awareness is, that it needs a lot of data to be collected all the time, something only Google or Apple with their monopolistic and privacy invasive ppwer can do. How it works (simplified) is that Google can detect if a lot of phones are on the same street and therefore assumes traffic. This data is, however, proprietary to Google. A FOSS App has the following problems:

  • Too small of a userbase, to reliably track something
  • Privacy conscious userbase, not wanting to be tracked
  • If it had auch a feature, it would be opt-in, as FOSS does (usually) not try to be as evil as Google&Co.
  • Usually limited server capacity to calculate if an aggregation is traffic

Solutions would be:

  • Google is forced to make the data publicly available per API as part of some anti-monopolistic ruling
  • A thrid party (e.g. cities) have their own monitoring of traffic and give public access to it.

So sadly similar dunctionality will not come in the near future in any FOSS app.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well glad this article brought my attention to this app. Now I can download it and remove google maps from my devices

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago

It is also a direct replacement for MAPS.ME.

MAPS.ME got progressively crappified, and Organic Maps is from the original creators of MAPS.ME

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago

Thx for.the post. Just installed via fdroid. Awesome app.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Haven't heard of Organic Maps before but I just installed from the apple app store for solidarity 🫡

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago

I keep forgetting to update OM. Thanks for the reminder lol

Google can suck a tailpipe. Fdroid ftw

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (5 children)

So, what about OSMand. Or Magic Earth. Or any other map app?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They're not "good enough" - they dont provide the same comfy UI/UX that google maps and organic maps does. And organic maps is offline, so literally no data harvesting.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Support your favorite Map App: Donate!

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago

STOP THE WAR ON COMFY SOFTWARE!!!!!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't think this was malicious, these app reviews are being done by an overworked and underpaid employee in some third world country. Mistakes are made all the time.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

TIL, I never knew this existed. Currently downloading it. Any other suggestions for someone in iOS (openmaps related)?

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

Also a thread here.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Long shot, but does anyone know of any mapping app where you can easily project a bearing/azimuth line, or a point a given bearing and distance from another point?

The only app I've found so far that can come close to what I need is Backcountry Navigator, which has a terrible UI. Everything else seems to be focused entirely on GPS navigation from where you are now to a known destination; I have yet to find one that allows even basic triangulation, to be able to identify the location of an observed object.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

ATAK-Civ originally developed by the U.S. Military for tactical use on Android phones. It was open-sourced and released on the Play Store several years ago.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Hmmmm. Just when I posted about Organic Maps on Lemmy. Coincidence?

[–] [email protected] 48 points 4 months ago (1 children)
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›