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As Trump and Harris call to end tip taxes, a wider minimum wage war heats up (www.nbcnews.com)

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It is, honestly, a fucking terrible idea - I understand that servers are struggling but this is the worst way to fix it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

What's the better way to fix it?

[–] [email protected] 56 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If you are serious... Pay them a regular living wage... Remove the whole caveat that waiting staff is somehow different from any other job.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I agree.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Yup, they beat me to the punch but ensure a living wage.

Also, we can try to be careful but everytime we add a "Type of income X isn't taxed" the majority of untaxed income under that rule comes from the wealthy... dodging taxes is worth millions of dollars so the wealthy can hire teams of accountants to find loopholes.

[+] [email protected] -14 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I would be concerned about having wait staff and other tipped positions be paid a livable minimum wage because it may cause people to stop tipping, which would result in a pay cut. There wouldn't be the argument "They don't even make minimum, I need to tip them.", it would become "They make 22.50 an hour, I don't need to tip them."

When I worked as a delivery driver, I did well only because of tips. If I was paid minimum wage and people stopped tipping, I would have been fucked.

If they get paid a livable minimum and tips are still just as generous, that would be a huge win for people that could use it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So you want us to pay them the same as everyone else, but also give them more money as well?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"This is your brain on ~~drugs~~ tips."

But seriously: If a federal livable wage ($20+, adjusted regularly) killed tipping, what a relief that would be to most people. Tipping should return to being an unexpected surprise for truly exceptional service.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

When I worked as a delivery driver, I did well only because of tips. If I was paid minimum wage and people stopped tipping, I would have been fucked.

So basically if your job had no tips, it would require a higher salary than minimum wage to retain workers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

You tip because they don’t make a minimum wage. I don’t get a tip when I do my work at my job. I certainly would be motivated to do a lot better if I got a tip after every meeting. I worked as a delivery driver and I did expect tips because I barely made money doing the deliveries but can’t expect it if I’m making a living wage.

[–] JackbyDev 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm not convinced tipping culture would change so quickly such that it would be an overnight decrease in net income.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

In this economy? Tipping would change drastically if people knew the employee was paid 22.50.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Eliminate the submiminum wage mentioned in the article, then increase the minimum wage to something you can live on

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Yes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

The sub min definitely needs to go. But my state is double the fed min and requires state min for wait staff. Min still isn't a living wage, and tips are still needed.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago

If a job needs doing. It needs a living wage to be paid for.

No matter how much Wall St wishes it so, we are not slaves. If you want the work done, fucking pay for it. Or go out of business.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'll say this again for the mouth breathing politicians in the back.

Stop making the minimum wage a flat value; base it off of a calculation that's recalculated quarterly, calibrated to account for inflation, poverty levels, and cost of living on a per-County basis. Then make sure that nobody fucks with the equation.

[–] JackbyDev 4 points 2 months ago

B- b- b- then they want be able to use the promise of increases to gain political favor!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You....you get ...taxed on tips?!?!

Hahaha 😂 Fucking unreal

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Hey, the government has to run somehow and since the 1% aren't paying their fair share it falls on us poors.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

They'd take my blood if they could get away with it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Can't wait to see more jobs become tip based /s Nurses based on tips, doctors, ems, firefighters? Why not?

Its the most economical decision for them on their taxes...