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[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I might be a moron here, but I have no idea how to interpret this. Is each blue bar the proportion of streets that run in that direction? Do the ones that just have a single bar at N/E/S/W have perfectly aligned streets that only go in the cardinal directions?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Here's a portion of detroit:

The city is almost entirely grid, some of it at an angle. You can see these two grids visualized in the post.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Seattle too has a section that's perfectly n/s. It was built upon infill created by destroying larger hills, flattening the city and filling in the bays. The older city is canted off at a strange angle, you can see the streets change directions at denny way near downtown.

Outside the downtown corridor everything is aligned NS iirc.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

That’s my interpretation too.

Newer cities tend to be more grid like. Older European cities tend not to follow a grid.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Also, how is the direction assigned? Especially for streets that are not straight? For example taking a beginning and end and measuring their angle wouldn't be very representative. And how does it work with long and short streets? Are longer more heavily represented, or do they count the same? I'd like it if it took a tangent to the street every 100 m or so, but somehow I doubt that's what they did.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I had presumed it's the angles of the intersections.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

So basically angles of ends of streets. Well, there are many options and we just don't know which one it is.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Fun thing is that in Montreal, 'North' is refereed to as the direction where streets go away from the river, which ends up being the WNW, further from north than "East".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Heh, yeah I was gonna make people guess which one was “north” for Montreal

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

Tulsa, OK is a trip. Perfect square mile grids for most of the city. Looks like a chessboard flying in at night.

Until you get out to the burbs, the streets are names crossed by numbers, everything regular.. I used to navigate the whole town with one page from the phone book. Even when you get into numbers crossed by numbers, it still makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

I’m surprised New Orleans has any NSEW streets considering we say “towards the river” or “towards the lake” and the “West Bank” is actually east of much of the “East Bank” because of how the Mississippi turns.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I knew Boston would be a mess, but Charlotte, you okay there??

I can't function in a city with more than 20% of the roads being outside of the majority.

Fuck Boston (lack of) city planners, and apparently I need to avoid Charlotte like the plague of disease that must've been occurring when they "laid out" that city.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Well I mean that's what's going to happen when you have a city that's laid out by a civilization who's most advanced transportation technology is wagon.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

The part that really pisses me off in America at least, is that once you get outside the nice ordered grids of the city, you start getting into subdivisions. They start having all of these curved nonsense roads instead of again, nice straight grid lines. I understand that sometimes you have to divert around a natural feature, but that doesn't excuse them deliberately making neighborhoods all twisty and grounded off so that it's easy to get lost in there. Stick to the grid system. And if any European complains about it, remind them that [insert rival European country] is better than their own country.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Which direction do your streets point on a compass?

Sao Paulo: yes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The more linear, the worse the traffic flow.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Is that your guess, or is there a specific source that says that?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0169204623002207

Its not entirely clear, but it can be seen that traffic is worse when you have 20 traffic lights for crossroads in a row... Or at least its logical. The cities that grew over time with circular planing have better capacity even on thinner roads, meanwhile grid cities have up to 8 lane roads (4 in 4 out) very often as their main road.

Its not 100% clear but its pretty likely that its one of the factors. Another one is public transport.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Probably wouldn’t be so bad if they actually built the fucking light rail.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

you take your half-built light rail that exists to ferry people into Tepper's stadium and you'll like it!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

She's stuck in irregularly shaped traffic.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The city that's the least linear. Charlotte is a constant log jam because for major metropolis cities you do actually want a directional grid specifically for making the city easy to navigate with multiple outlets for traffic to flow in the event of a conflict (break down, accident, road work, etc). A city that doesn't prioritize navigability will be filled with culs-de-sac which are horrible for traffic and navigability

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Navigation doesn't mean you have to have a gridiron Pattern... As said, its the opposite.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

@YourPrivatHater try explain that to the good peeps of Sao Paulo ... Rome, etc. ... @Blaze

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

São Paulo city is a messy case. It started out roughly circular, then that circle was distorted into a grid plan, then that grid plan was tied to a bunch of mismatching grids. Picture related:

As such it's hard to reach any conclusion taking its general layout into account.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

@lvxferre many of these cities shown here have external constraints (rivers, harbours, mountains, valleys, etc.).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

That is really insightful

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Are these taken from city center? I feel like San Francisco has much more north to south road than East to West.