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Why is Horizon: An American Saga flopping in theaters? (lemmy.world)

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

i've never heard of it. maybe that.

also, you'd pretty much have to pay me to go see a film in the theater. i can't think of something id enjoy less than sitting in an uncomfortable chair for 2 hours to endure other people talking, pulling out their phones, shitty kids making noise, sticky floors, etc... no thanks. it's 2024, and i don't have to go to a shitty theater and shell out $50 and sit around several dozen assholes just to watch a movie. I can sit comfortably at home in silence, with food and weed and pee breaks. FOR FREE.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The theaters certainly are not for everyone, but I haven't experienced your description of a theater in over 5 years. Everywhere I've been not has leather recliners and have been generally cleaner. It's not cheap, but concessions aren't a requirement and no home theater offers the same viewing between screen and sound like a theater. I think my local place is $15 for the ultra wide, heated leather, Atmos audio screenings. Not something to do all of the time, but the occasional late night watch of an adult rated film is a nice treat sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm with the other guy. The movie going experience was awful for a long time until I just stopped going. If they've made changes, they've made them too late for many people, especially when they are charging $20+ in my area. Additionally, regardless of what changes they've made to the seats, that doesn't change how shitty other people are. The noise, lights, running around, spilling food/drinks everywhere, etc creates an environment more akin to a wrestling match than a movie.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I haven't experienced any of that in a very long time. The movie going experience has shifted significantly over the past decade. Again, it's not for everyone and some don't find the entertainment worth the cost, which is fine. I'm just trying to point out that the stereotypical they're experience isn't what it used to be. Some people go and spend hundreds at casinos for fun, I'll occasionally drop a couple of tenners to watch a good movie it the format it was designed to be viewed in. That's maybe once or twice a year.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

That really is good to hear for those that enjoy going. I don't see myself returning, I've grown accustomed to my home experience.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Alamo Drafthouse is the one exception because they 1) serve a full menu of food and booze right to your seat 2) don’t allow children 3) and will kick you out if you pull out your phone or make a sound louder than a whisper. But even then, I’m much more comfortable at home, and I haven’t been there in years. During Covid, I set myself up with all of the home theater I would ever need.

I have an Atmos home theater system at home that’s perfectly fine. And I don’t need a screen bigger than my field of vision.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Most theatre's offer booze and decent food now, I still greatly enjoy going to the movies. I watch a lot of content at home through my media server but it's a treat to see things on the big screen

[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I get better sound watching on my phone with 2 dollar earbuds.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

You don't, but okay.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

This is the way.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

True, it is 2024, and your theater probably has big cushy reclining leather chairs. And why would kids be at this movie?

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I just learned that it's a four part film series.

3 hours each

It ls based on the westward expansion of America, a period that is covered to death in media already.

It presents no unique or compelling twist or angle on this in the trailers.

It presents not amazing visual that can only be enjoyed in a theater instead of watching this at home like the History Channel.

I like Kevin Costner, I like westerns, I like history. I pretty much am the target audience. But when I was it was going to be at least 12 hours of content spread over the next 2-3 years, and I still had no hook as to why I should watch this over The Last of the Mohicans or Tombstone or any number of narratives in similar settings. It all feels incredibly low energy.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And this isn't even mentioning being stuck in an expensive theatre for 3 hours, that the show in its full is perfectly bingeable over a weekend and that there is a high likelihood that it might get cancelled midway through, which will really sting with a 4 episode mini series.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

The fact you described it as "the show" is absolutely the problem in a nutshell. This isn't a film, or a film series, it's a fucking commitment. At least with Avatar, they're years apart and the most visually stunning graphics on the planet. Or with LOTR these are epic stories and sagas.

What is the saga of the American rancher Mr. Costner? I need to understand.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

I think the four part series called The West by Ken Burns is shorter and probably better.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (4 children)

No one cares about Westerns anymore unless it's by a Coen Brothers level talent

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I was going to ask what it is, since I’m too lazy to look it up, but this answers sufficiently

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I figured it was about the mobile company, similar to the Blackberry movie. This makes more sense. And from the comments, it doesn't sound terribly interesting.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Also Tarantino. I thought it was implausible that he'd do them well, but Django and Hateful Eight were both excellent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Consider Django more of a Southern than a Western

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Interesting point. I guess in this context I'd call it a western set in the south or maybe a southern set during the old west.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I care, I've been waiting for this one.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

*A statistically irrelevant number of people...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I was trying to remember whether the Coen brothers made Blazing Saddles. That's the level of talent we need.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

It's made by a Coen brother just not the ones you think. Mel Brooks' real last name is Coen and he is the younger brother of the others. He adopted "Brooks" when he broke into directing so he wouldn't be accused of riding his brothers coattails to fame.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago

Because it's not that good? A reviewer I like said it felt like the first couple episodes of a TV show stitched together with not much of an ending beyond setting up the planned sequels

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

This is the first I've heard of it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

I don't like Kevin Costner.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

I don't go to see movies much, but if I wanted to go see one now, I'd see Inside Out 2.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

When I first saw the previews I thought it was a show on a cut rate streaming service. That doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in the movie.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Is it going in the theaters?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

The preview looked like shit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

It's not playing at my nearest movie theater.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

It's made for people of a certain age, and those people don't go to the movies much I think.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

On top of what everyone else has already said, I'd add that (for some reason) when it comes to Kevin Costner, movie-goers have long long memories about his "ego" projects like Waterworld and The Postman.

Costner went through a phase where he felt that he was big enough to direct, star, and write huge epic films because he was the "only one that could do them right". And that flopped his career...hard.

He went on from there to do a lot of smaller stuff that was really well regarded. But now he comes back with this, basically another ego-project, because he's convinced that Yellowstone has given him all of that old cred back. (It hasn't)

Dude is just Neil Breen with a budget, and people are rightfully still skeptical of any so-called epic that is written, directed, and starring him.

In short, Costner's epic movies have all pretty much been laughably bad with the exception of "Dances with Wolves". And Pepperidge Farms remembers that kind of thing.