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[–] [email protected] 187 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Why would we believe the promises of the ones who ruined the primary utility of their core product in the first place, and convinced or blackmailed the rest of the internet to take part in the ruination ? An advertising corporation will tell us to put cyanide on our pizza if it makes them an extra buck this quarter, and google is worse than that. Profit despite the social costs is doing no evil /s

[–] [email protected] 63 points 6 months ago (3 children)

"Don't be evil"

Shit writes itself.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

That was removed as their motto in 2015, following a restructuring of Google as a subsidiary of Alphabet.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I said it back then and I'll say it again: Calling your mega corporation "Alphabet" sounds hella distopian

[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The main reason for the name is that it sorts before both Amazon and Apple in the Big Tech directory. It's literally as petty as that. They obviously chose a word that was related to searching within that criterion, but still.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I thought it was because .xyz had recently become a tld and they loved the sound of abc.xyz

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It's honestly weird to imagine them being concerned with branding at all because they are literally an umbrella corporation that doesn't seem to interface with customers directly. Like I never think about them and I suspect having regular people think more about them would not be good for them in any way.

"Alphabet" works for that in my head because it slides off my brain. I forget they exist until something reminds me.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

The answer received for the pizza glue query appears to be based on a comment from a user named “fucksmith” in a more than decade-old Reddit thread, and they’re clearly joking.

Lol. And this is Google, the company that has spent decades engineering ways to sift good information from bad on the internet.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 months ago

In that process they went through a full circle of first establishing and then gradually reducing it's usability and the health of the web itself. Their sometimes obscure ranking of pages enabled SEO, then AI written articles and now they try to replace the need to click on any site at all with THAT. A very interesting saga.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I kind of assumed it was based on one of those 'how they photograph food' articles that pops up every so often with shaving cream instead of whip cream and motor oil instead of pancake syrup. Pretty sure I've seen one where they mix glue in the pizza cheese to make it more stringy.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

They figured out that they make much more money just pandering ads and lying how they are related to people's interests than they would make when actually providing an invaluable service to humankind. Now, instead of information, we are stuck with paid-for results and SEO-optimized keyword spammers that want a crumb of that cake. I think the free market calls this "innovation" or some shit.

[–] [email protected] 85 points 6 months ago (2 children)

... aren’t representative of most people’s experiences.

Every AI "answer" I've gotten from Google is factually incorrect, often ludicrously so.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago

Yep, same here. Whereas ChatGPT and Perplexity would tell me it didn't know the answer to my question, Bard/Gemini would confidently hallucinate some bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

AI is the new scam after crypto, nft, etc. The technology isn't to blame itself. It can have some useful case for sure.

The real issue is the Market™, the belief in infinite growth. We arrived at the point of no return, where infinite growth is impossible. Humans like to challenge impossible. They will try to find whatever is possible to tackle the impossible. In our case, humans try to create growth artificially with crypto, nft, ai, and all the others. Because, it's the only way to have a minimalist growth for the shareholders and investors. Billions if not trillions were invested in Google and the others AI companies to milk the last drop for some dividend. Short term dividends should have wrote.

These bad search results are not to serve the general interest. It's here to serve these investments and return the last profit possible of the dogma of infinity in a finite world. It does indicate how bad the situation became for the economy. They are the cracks leaking the end of an era. They are symptomatic.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It sounds.... impossible to defeat this darker side of human nature, in order to grow into a mature species worthy of restoring and responsibly maintaining this garden planet.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I think most humans aren't like that, it's just that the ones that are have managed to structure society to reward their behavior. We need to get these vile, greed driven ghouls, out of positions of power to get anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The problem is that non-sociopaths don't seek power. Public service is looked down upon.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yeah. Like the old adage of whoever seeks power is least deserving of it. It's a difficult thing to combat.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It sounds… impossible to defeat this darker side of human nature

Capitalist ideology is so hardwired into most of us that it seems easier to accept the end of the world than the end of capitalism itself

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago

Yup. I think this is what always happens when the smart people leave a company and the only people left are "the line must always go up" business idiots who don't understand what they have or how it works.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 6 months ago

They wouldn't need to 'improve' their search experience if they never enshittified the results page like 10 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 6 months ago (2 children)

C'mon. It's non toxic glue. Suck it up and follow the directions. /s

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Well its non toxic so its clearly edible, maybe, so fucksmith could have a valid point. I can not wait untill someone tries out the glue on pizza recipe!

Glue isnt toxic, but is it flammable?

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They're trying to compete with open AI which they shouldn't be... They're a marketing firm with a search engine.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago

Maybe the problem is a lot of their marketing relies on the dominance of their search engine (ie sponsored search results, and ads based on user searches, as well as tracking user web usage via their search click throughs and other cookies). If open ai's products become the go to for questions and basic searches, they will eventually be able to use that dominance to include marketing results in their answers. I think this threat is why they want to try to compete with them to be able to offer an alternative. Because it doesn't actually have to be better than chat gpt. It just has to be similar enough for people to continue using Google rather than change their habits to use chatgpt, or Microsoft's implementations of it. Especially with windows 11 where copilot (basically Microsoft rebrand of chatgpt) is built in and you can use it from the task bar. That ease of use may steadily decrease people's reliance on Google search, which will eventually hurt their ability to sell targeted ads.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Sounds like Google wants to get out of the search engine business. Maybe we should help them. Try DuckDuckGo. Or SearX

https://searx.space/

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago (2 children)

DDG's results have been absolute garbage for me for the past few months. About half of the time I have to go to Google to get the results I actually need.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

You're getting downvotes because we all want it to succeed... It hasn't been great for me.

I do use Yandex sometimes, especially if I'm searching for a torrent or streaming show or something since they don't seem to care about filtering pirated stuff. But in general the results seem better than DDG.

Yes I know it's Russian or whatever. Oh well.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

Just FYI, SearX is dead. Long live SearXNG

[–] [email protected] 39 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The company has taken action against violations of its policies, she said

What does this mean in this context? Send takedown notices to people who joke on the Internet?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

The fucksmith post in question has been removed by moderators, so I wonder if Google really is pressuring Reddit to remove jokes from their platform now. This person had no idea their shit post would be used to train AI over a decade later, and they certainly weren't violating any policies when they posted it. It's like nobody involved in this process knew anything about Reddit.

Pay $60 million to train on bad data.
Implement AI trained on bad data.
Panic when the AI returns bad answers.
Manually remove bad data.
Profit??

Edit: it was removed when I checked yesterday, but it looks like they restored it.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The snowflakes here can't even handle a little glue in their food!!!!1111

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What do they think holds the chicken nugget together?

Mother nature?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is not the AI I was expected after growing up with Star Trek. I’m trying to picture just what horrors the replicators would come up with if hooked to this abomination.

Then the other clowns go and steal scarjo’s voice instead of Majel Barrett. What a future we’re building here…

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm glad they went with sjo, at least she is alive and can fight back. Imagine they ruined all TNG trek by taking the omnipresent and beloved computer voice and made it a corporate sockpuppet we hear everywhere now, crudely regurgitating platitudes of consumption.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (4 children)

This should give hope to all of those people who have been worrying about AI taking their jobs away.

It doesn't matter how good technology gets, it will always be merely a tool. Humans will still be necessary in the future.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

I like to melt a little pecorino into my glue, the salty sharpness really complements the glue flavor

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

The internet and technology moved on. We reached a point where google is obsolete. Google decided to cancel any product they had, that was not as successful as their ads space and now they have nothing else left. Is there even one service left that google is leading in? Maybe chromium browser and that's it. Yet one can easily switch to Firefox right now.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

I guess they are leading in E-Mail? Whatever that is worth I am not sure. And Youtube is pretty much toe to toe with TikTok so they have that going for them which is nice. But yeah they’ve done a pretty bad job at making themselves indispensable. If anything they‘re looking far more dispensable than ever. Still huge, but their future is rather uncertain.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

Their integrated drive+mail+docs+forms+... cloud system is not the first or maybe the best one out there, but it's very popular and I like it more than the competition for some of their key decisions. More obscure things are their accessible API anyone can use, some free computing power they provide for experiments, their analytics system for marketing, and their benchmarks of how fast the page loads being a standard. There's probably Scholar somewhere here but I haven't used it. Android gets installed everywhere even if it's unreasonable. Search is their major brand, but they have fingers in many buckets.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

Stupid IA sniffed all the good glue instead of putting it on its pizza.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

Why does this company suck at AI even more than the other companies? Android has had machine learning for years already.

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