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[–] [email protected] 218 points 7 months ago (11 children)

“What if we took a place known for being quiet and made it loud?”

[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks 145 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Ok, then let's make a new space called a loudbrary.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 7 months ago (11 children)

You're implying "li" means quiet and I have no choice but to believe this madness because I can't be bothered to look it up.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I’m sure the Loudbrarian could help you with that.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

I DON'T KNOW ASK LOUD BRIAN!

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

Perhaps some sort of community drinkbrary, as seen in the image.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

To be fair libraries are very active places, there are plenty of quiet spaces in most of them as well for this reason. Why can’t we accommodate everyone? We aren’t talking pumping music, just basic conversation, which already happens.

If it gets too loud, there’s always the quiet places for people that want more peace ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (13 children)

We aren’t talking pumping music...

YOU may not be but I guarantee that within the first 60 minutes at least three people are going to try and do just that.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

If it’s against the rules, they’ll be kicked out, like it happens already… and if they allow the music, well you are free to choose another library that fits your specific needs. Just like the ones using the louder library since it’s already for them.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I've got to be honest that picture is just a pub with books.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I wonder if the public perception and use of libraries would be improved if they weren't these strangely silent book temples and were instead places of public learning and conversation.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

My county library has tons of spaces to be loud and engage with others, hosts a lot of events and to be honest has only a few quiet spaces.

The public perception of libraries being super quiet book temples is really outdated.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

Your library isn't? Mine has events all the time

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I think there is room for both. Our library has a small restaurant and hall for lounging and isn't quiet at all. But the main library is business as usual and quiet.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

Outside of normal operating hours? Why not?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

The place you're talking about isn't even open during the hours being discussed. Which is the entire point of this post.

Who cares who is being loud are they disturbing the non-existent regular patrons?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Libraries weren't created to be quiet places. They were created to preserve and share knowledge.

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[–] [email protected] 193 points 7 months ago (12 children)

and we’ve circled back to the missing third place – libraries as community centers, family friendly pubs and bars, coffee shops that don’t require buying half the menu to just hang out, walkable (and bikable) cities where people can go for an evening stroll without being afraid of being run over …

[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I want this so bad. Why can't the car loving suburbanites who visit Europe and love it just get on board?

Cars are not freedom, if anything they take it away while making life miserable for everyone.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I’ve got a nice local coffee place where I buy a single drink then sit and read for ~45 minutes. Very nice would recommend

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[–] [email protected] 130 points 7 months ago (11 children)

Libraries would need more funding to operate extended hours...

Then people would complain about gov't spending and taxes. Then we would privatize the libraries

This is why we cant have nice things

[–] [email protected] 73 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Turns out brainwashing a society to be selfish consumers has side effects like: not wanting to spend their money on services for the public good.

"They aren't me, why should I care!?"

[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Or even if you personally benefit from public services, you'll still complain about "muh tax dollars!!"

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Years and years ago my friends mom was complaining about taxes for public school. I said 'but your kids were public schooled!?' and she responded, perfectly seriously, "yeah but not anymore." (We had recently graduated). I have never forgotten this. It's real. Real people think like this

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Capitalists trying to convince the public to privatize things has nothing to do with cost; even if they were free, every dollar saved by the public represents a potential profit they're losing.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Cheaply selling drinks (maybe non-alcoholic) would probably more than off-set the additional costs.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (6 children)

I wanna get lit at the library though.

Litbrary

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

Nothing a flask can't fix.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

We held a private work event at the museum one time... I got loaded on whisky and went to see all the dinosaur bones. It was one of the best nights of my life

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[–] [email protected] 109 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No citizen, third places are not allowed except for church, mother says so. Now back to your depression cave! You need to be at work on time or we’ll confiscate it!

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 7 months ago (4 children)

In Brussels there is a library that’s “open” as late as 22:00. There’s an after hours program where you register for after hours access, sign an agreement, and your library card can be used to unlock the door. Staff is gone during off hours but cameras are on. Members are not allowed to enter with non-members (can’t let anyone tailgate you incl. your friends).

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is the utopia, but unfortunately, delinquents and no-good doers will harass the people in late night libraries and cafes. There is a cafe in my hometown that used to run 24/7 but anti-social behaviour made them close much earlier. Granted it has been an issue before, but the pandemic solidified the decision to no longer serve 24/7, especially with people no longer spending much time outside of their home any longer than it used to be.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Someone has to pay for the staff and maintenance too.

Despite inflation and growing user bases, libraries aren’t getting more money in most places.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 7 months ago (8 children)

If by "engage in public life" they mean being quiet and not interrupting others' quiet time then sure.

To me it sounds like people want another public space that isn't a library. Once libations enter the picture it also feels like it's not always going to be a safe place.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 7 months ago (12 children)

This sounds cool as fuck. There would be literal book clubs hanging out at night. People are so overworked that most don't even socialize properly these days. Hanging out with folks to gush over that one series all of them enjoyed, without damaging your health or risking anyone else's. But we get this instead...

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago

We need more third places.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago (2 children)

How about coffee shops with e-readers built into the tables preloaded with an enormous collection of books?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

When I was in university the library was open 24/7

It was just the restricted areas that you couldn’t go to at night and those were appointment only anyway

[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You can also go to the restricted area at night, just gotta make sure to not be caught by Filch

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

We could wind up dead, or worse, expelled

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

I don't understand what is funny here. Many university librairies are open until 9 p.m and there is still people at the closing that would stay later. If every librairie were open until 10 p.m or midnight, you can be sure that some people would make use of it.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Just be open evenings. I want to go, but I work full time and weekends are a whirlwind of kids and domestic stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (5 children)

This isn't the purpose of libraries. However, having car free streets and squares and parks with lights would be better choices.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago (3 children)

This isn’t the purpose of a library you want. But I’d greatly want this type of library

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