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If you're charging it with your own muscles, sure. Or you could just put rocks in your panniers.

it also has the Ebike going ~40% faster which means almost twice as much friction to overcome.

Wdym? The faster a car moves (or anything, not just a car) the less efficient it's gonna be, because it has to fight against more and more wind resistance.

Besides the other comment being right about air resistance, a speed of around 40 km/h is considered safe in urban environments and artificial obstacles are now being placed to lower traffic speed to about that limit. Also, the mean speed is also around that in towns where you either go faster than the limit or go 0 in a traffic jam

It's that normalized by passenger or is that just the train?

I've been telling everyone how most people don't need a car in a big enough city (I'm in Europe), and how much more efficient (PROPER) public transport is.

...And then I get the work commute metro trains where stupid/inconsiderate/disgusting people still get on the packed train despite being sick, keep standing in my kidney and sneeze/cough at others (without a mask, of course) and sniff their nose all the way. Every single time when that happens I dream about having my own car where I don't have to deal with this (or an idiot blasting TikTok from their speakers, being drunk+loud, smelly, etc.).

I still won't have a car, but man, sometimes the right decision isn't the easiest.

Urban planning issue

Had a neighbour in his 80, had multiple leg operations and he still used to take a daily bike ride to keep fit. Not to mention that even if bike commutes suck, they improve your mental health considerably, even if you go in the rain/cold.

And most importantly of all, those who can take the bike cover those who can't. So please enjoy your car ride, but take the bike when you can.

I guess it's hard to gauge an e-bike since they often have a variety of operating modes ranging from progressively higher levels of pedal assist up to full throttle. But that's fascinating to think that an all-electric ride may actual consume less energy in the grand scheme of things. I had never looked at it that way!

The biggie is urban planning to ensure that people don't need to travel huge distances on a routine basis. That means that people give up very little.

It is totally pointless, I am totally on side of bikes and walkable cities, but this chart is pointless. What battery stores and what humans use is not comparable, and adding combustion engine car/bus/train here would throw the chart to totally other scale. Train has enough kWh to power a small town, but it carries shit ton of load.

Like most "fuck cars" memes it's only relevant if you're a young single person with no hobbies who never travels more than 5km from their home without taking public transport.

A quick googling tells me a burger is about 3kg of CO2 equivalents. 1L of gas seems to be about 2,5kg.

Now if you were to eat local and seasonal food I'd guess you can get more efficient than burning oil.

Edit: As @bjorney correctly pointed out a quick google in the morning, before the brain functions properly kick in, isn't the best way to produce comments on numbers. I did NOT account for the factor of about 15 that a burger needs to get close the energy stored in a liter of gasoline.

Edit to the edit: Just out of curiosity I did another quick google (please brain, be functioning now) and it seems that to get 8500kcal from oats you need about 2,5kg. This seems to produce about 1kg of co2 equivalents. I am certain that this does not include the amount of co2 the human is expelling in excess by using their muscles instead of a motor, so the whole discussion is probably moot anyways.

It's already normalized to distance, the graph is showing kWh/km. The speed is just there for additional context.

Have you heard of this miraculous thing called public transit? And there are things called panniers which are pretty cool too.

But frankly, if you don't have groceries within walking distance, your neighborhood and your zoning laws are very poorly designed.

And that's deliberate. Neighborhoods around the world are designed to require cars to live in, because of oil company lobbying, and also for "security", in order to keep out people too poor to own cars.

Getting rid of cars requires changing the various ways our cities are designed to make cars necessary. That's worth doing too.

That means the urban planning in your area is garbage. That is fixable and has to be fixed.

I believe most e-bikes in Europe are limited to 25km/h. 32km/h in Canada.

Time efficiency in a modern urban area optimized for public transport and non-motorized transport modes compared to time efficiency in current typical urban areas, which are focused on individual motorized transport modes with severe lack of public transport:

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