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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.
AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)
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That one Stross essay on space colonization.
This one?
The essay is great, but I'd like to stop on this for a second:
Okay, but we don't need that much of a thought experiment to get there. Gliese 832 c is 16 light years away. That means that even if we figured out every technological issue with calling a colony there via Skype, we would have a message latency of 32 years. Can you fucking imagine negotiating a trade treaty where each round of negotiations takes THIRTY-TWO YEARS? How many Earth governments even remain stably in power for 32 years? Of course transporting the actual trade goods would take even longer. So, you negotiate a treaty over three generations of human beings, and then get the actual goods delivered in, optimistically, a few centuries. We're so good at planning things in advance that climate change will wipe us out in like 50 years, good luck running a trade operation where a freight you ordered will be delivered to your great-great-grandchildren.
With colonisation at best you're gonna get a bunch of disorganised human clusters that will grow culturally and ideologically apart really quick. It's obvious on its face that this wouldn't be a somehow coherent society. Again, how do you plan to organise a government structure where a single memo takes THIRTY-TWO YEARS to be acknowledged? Did anyone in TESCREAL ever grapple with the fact that our globalisation age was brought forth thanks to near-instantenous communications, and that's flat out impossible on an interstellar scale? Like, the speed of light is not something you can hand-wave away, it's a physical barrier to information.
sorry i just woke up at 4am and realised that bitcoin actually fixes this so i retract my fud
ah yes, quantum entangled blockchains, that's what we need to solve the scalability problem! that'll fix it right up!
Well, minimum 32 years, as presumably there would be some inbox time and drafting time on either end, misunderstandings and subsequent discussion being so critical to avert when followups take a while.
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B-Arks. Put 'em all on B-Arks
"Ha, you see, that's your problem right there", Yud exclaimed, "simply invoke technology indistinguishable from magic! Nanomachines, away we go!"
Thats the one! I wish I could offer more.
Yeah Stross is an excellent corrective to most space colonization wanking.
In general British SF is a bit less hoo-rah! than American.
Everything is. I don’t need anyone to tell me that the Red Scare ruined philosophy of science, going to America was the original problem.