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[–] [email protected] 193 points 8 months ago (8 children)

Why the fuck would anybody install an APP to use a website?

(Puts on clown face) "Sure, I'll install this program on my pocket computer from the Urban Dictionary to save the time it would take me to open a web browser and type in the URL of it, all it costs is me giving direct access to my stored personal data and real-time activities"

[–] [email protected] 63 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The state of people blindly using apps for everything is atrocious.

“But it saves me a 1USD on my fast food burger!”

[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Fast food charges you around double if you don't use the app. I think it's mostly about tiered pricing. They want the money from those willing to pay $15 for a burger AND they still want the money from people who won't pay more than $10. This way they get both.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Fast food charges you around double if you don't use the app.

In the US, I guess? Not where I come from

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

In Italy it's also like this

You literally pay double the price if you order without using the coupons found in the app for McDonald's, Burger King and KFC

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Makes sense. I don’t eat fast food, so I didn’t know. But no way am I installing apps for… basically any commercial thing.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Same here, but I do eat fast food on occasion. Their small discounts are not worth enough to compromise my phone's integrity and my privacy.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

I just looked at their app permissions, and woof. It’s almost as bad as Threads.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

Wendy's order through app showing around a 45% discount.

It's not a small discount. Of course just using the app isn't the only hoop. You also have to order correctly to maximize the discount.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Those kind of apps have a special place on my phone: petercxy's shelter (don't install it from play store because in order to meet the Google requirements it has been nerfed). Apps installed there use a dedicated throwaway Google account and are completely disabled with a toggle on my launcher. (Lawnchair 2 has a toggle in the drawer for it)

If an app is installed in shelter it's on a completely separate partition and can't access any file or photo on your main one. And once you quit, they are all disabled like if the phone is turned off

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's just an incentive to install the app, the amount of data being harvested and sold/traded is basically the new economy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You could as much harvest more data from a browser honestly. Most apps are sandboxed, a browser shares its cookies.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Phone apps have access to significantly more data than a browser does, especially when people haphazardly agree to any and all permissions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

If you believe that's really true I'm probably not the one to change your mind.

Browsers usually don't even ask for any permissions, where iOS and Android apps do, and explicitly state what data they'll steal.

It's much easier to fingerprint your behavior when using the web than it is when using apps.

Unless you're only talking about "the wrong kind of apps" but then I could continue about "the wrong kind of websites".

But hey, you do you. Happy tracking.

Edit: I feel sad that sites like The Verge et al. trick people who want to learn in those kind of directions. They're writers, not tech people. They earn from ads! Don't listen to them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Yes, I'm comparing the threat level based on the maximum potential akin to the likes of "those apps". Permissions are straightforward and will protect users just like ad blockers, decentralized static frameworks (JavaScript/CSS/fonts), and clearing cookies. But on average users are not well informed and aren't considering permissions, add-ons, or even which browser or app they use so I compare based on the potential threat level.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

McDonald's charges a lot more without the app tho

fun fact: McDonald's app has tighter "security" than my bank app and won't even work on rooted devices

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I can't believe that there's a whole generation of people who voluntarily installed a McDonald's app. I guess marketing works...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

"but i can save a dollar by letting mcdonalds root itself deep inside my large intestine!"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

When they introduced the app back in December 2016, they gave you a free burger/fish filet. Me and my college roommate took advantage of this and made accounts with sharklasers.com emails. We got 3 free burgers a day just by driving to the closest McDonald’s, down the road 10 mins to the next one, then back.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Free burgers are definitely a big deal in college.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

McDonald's app is the fastest way to check if you installed magisk+shamiko correctly

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

LOL! Glad I'm not the only one who thinks the Mickie app is locked down

McDonalds needs updates more often than my credit card app...

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It absolutely will work on a rooted device. Mine is rooted and it works fine. Also, in my experience (maybe this is just in my area) outside of the points perk, prices are the same between the app and physically at the store as I have checked out of curiosity.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

there are bundles and deals which are only available in the app, usually you can save like 50% with them
depends on the region i guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯

e.g. I could either get a big mac for like 22zl? or big mac + medium fries + any sauce for 16zl, or a cheeseburger for 30% of it's price + 300 points (which you literally get back, exact amount for your order)

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Seriously. Apps are stupid. They exist solely to steal your data, and they do that by asking for insane permissions.

And the overwhelming majority of this could be avoided if consumers didnt just straight up braindead refuse to use the actual website because "hurr hurrr I do nothing wrong why I have to hide anything I WANT MAH CONVENIENCE! REAL OR PERCEIVED!"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

No, only stupid apps are stupid.

Webpages are webpages. Apps are apps. Just don't use webpages that are shitty apps, don't use apps that are shitty webpages, never let a webpage display an ad, never accept a closed-source app and you'll be fine.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

It’s quicker to load a known json into a know UI than an entire webpage. Plus, you don’t get any features in the webpage like swiping, double tapping, or notifications (for things like DMs).

I use a Lemmy app because it’s faster and just works. It hasn’t asked for any extra permissions.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Especially with Firefox and derivatives allowing you to run the webpage in an app-like way! I do this for everything from the public transit website in my city to financial sites.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Here's a real reason: It's generally more optimized and smooth than the web version. And before you say that's because the websites purposely nerf themselves, one of the best examples to support my statement is Mastodon, which is slow and laggy on the website but fast and smooth in the app.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago

Here's the REAL reason: Apps grant Developers/Content owners more control/metrics/data about the user to feed their advertisers, which translates to more revenue. It's way easier to hoover up data about the user outside of the browser sandbox, and in apps.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

But this urban dictionary app looks like some webapp. Also this slight smoothness costs your personally identifiable data for such apps

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

How often do I need to find a reference in Urban Dictionary?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

You tell us winsome

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

eh, if the app is actually native and i use it a lot I'd rather have it installed...
Don't see the point of WebView/web apps packaged as mobile ones tho....

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Reading this on Voyager app… errr well hummm

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy (and Mastodon) apps do IMO provide added value over the websites, but AFAICT the Urban Dictionary app would be better off as a web shortcut on one's home screen

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well it looks like the app adds motion and fitness abilities… /s

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I stand corrected! Brb, downloading the app and giving it full access to my devices.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That’s more like it. We’re glad to have you as ~~product~~ customer.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"hey Google, define 'no shot'"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"sorry, I didn't understand"

(90% of the responses I get from that in the past two years - it used to work but now it's useless)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Redo the voice training. I agree you shouldn't have to, but it massively helps.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I have never navigated urban dictionary. Even going from one word to the next, I have only ever googled a word + "urban dictionary"