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[–] [email protected] 78 points 8 months ago (5 children)

20 years on, I still prefer folders instead of labels. And I still don't want messages group as "conversations."

It used to be free 1GB of mailbox storage that kept expanding for free. Now there is a hard limit unless you pay.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

claw back that value!

[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Did you read the article you referenced?

Or maybe I'm just not seeing the connection.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

The cycle is:

  1. Provide a useful service to users at a loss to make the service indispensable
  2. Claw back some of that value for business customers (advertisers) to lock them in
  3. Claw back some of that value for the company

They’re describing how nice step 1 was.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

It used to be free 1GB of mailbox storage that kept expanding for free. Now there is a hard limit unless you pay.

I don't think anybody expected that to last forever. That said, the free limit is still way more than enough for most people. I've got 20 years of emails in my account, and I'm just barely past my free limit.

[–] vvv 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Everything else wrong with Gmail and Google aside, those are the least reasonable complaints? You can use labels as folders. You can also disable conversation grouping, but I doubt you go more than a week before turning it back on.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, a label is just a more versatile folder. If you don’t like that, you can just use a single label per email, but I genuinely can’t see any value in that. But you can if you want.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I less the labeling system sucks, which it does. Also the rules. There’s no innovation and every damn feature of outlook should be basically available and EASY to use in gmail and any other mail client. The shit has been around forever and the lack of advanced options is just astounding. I’m simply disappointed.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What if a message covers 2 different topics?

IMHO the entire OS should be based around files and labels, not files and folders.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

On Linux file systems it basically is. A file name is just a label for an inode, and the same inode can have as many file names as you want.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Still this requires different directories for the hardlinks to be in the filesystem, and there's not an easy way given a file to list all "labels" that file has, without checking other directories for files with the same inode.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

find has a way to search by inode.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

It used to be free 1GB of mailbox storage that kept expanding for free.

Within a week you could tell there was a set maximum, the speed of increase steadily fell the higher the storage value got. It was a good marketing ploy, but there was never a “forever expanding” promise made.