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LLMs are solving MCAT, the bar test, SAT etc like they're nothing. At this point their performance is super human. However they'll often trip on super simple common sense questions, they'll struggle with creative thinking.

Is this literally proof that standard tests are not a good measure of intelligence?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

such tests are not standardized tests of intelligence, they are standardized tests of specific-competencies.

Thomas Armstrong's got a book "7 Kinds of Smart, revised", on 9 intelligences ( he kept the same title, but added 2 more ).

Social/relational intelligence was not included in IQ because it is one that girls have, but us guys tend to not have, so the men who devised IQ .. just never considered it to have any validity/significance.

Just as it is much easier to make a ML that can operate a commuter-train fuel-efficiently, than it is to get a human, with general function, to compete at that super-specialized task, each specialized-competency-test is going to become owned by some AI.

Full-self-driving being the possible exception, simply because there are waaaaay too many variables, & general competence seems to be required for that ( people deliberately driving into AI-managed vehicles, people throwing footballs at AI-managed vehicles, etc, it's lunacy to think that AI's going to get that kind of nonsense perfect.

I'd settle for 25% better-than-us. )

Just because an AI can do aviation-navigation more-perfectly than I can, doesn't mean that the test should be taken off potential-pilots, though:

Full-electrical-system-failures do happen in aviation.

Carrington-event level of jamming is possible, in-flight.


  • Intelligence is "climbing the ladder efficiently".

  • Wisdom is knowing when you're climbing the wrong ladder, & figuring-out how to discover which ladder you're supposed to be climbing.

Would you remove competence-at-soccer tests for pro sports-teams?

"Oh, James Windermere's an excellent athlete to add to our soccer-club! Look at his triathelon ratings!"..

.. "but he doesn't even understand soccer??"

.. "he doesn't need to: we got rid of that requirement, because AI got better than humans, so we don't need it anymore".

idiotic, right?

It doesn't matter if an AI is better than a human at a particular competency:

if a kind-of-work requires that competency, then test the human for it.