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This feels dangerously close to some EnlightenedCentrism nonse
I'm not sure whether the version of this I saw previously was the original and this post was cropped, or if this post is the original and the other text was added later. But I much prefer the context here:
Ahh see this I can get behind, reminds me of the Soviet anti alcohol poster that's become a meme too
Good original intent, less good modern applications
The dawn of nationalism was definitely the mistake of the previous age I think. Peoples should be able to self govern autonomously, but not under a guise of "the nation" which inherently forms an out group to be excluded.
I like the Arabic/American way to do it, "You wanna be one of us? Well then you're already half way there!"
I speak very little Arabic but my teacher has told me that I already know enough to get the long list cousin's welcome among most L1 speakers lol.
Yeah i've learned not to trust this kind of simmetrical worldview, even when it makes me feel smart for being above it.
What if instead of taking it as saying all things are symmetrical we take it to mean that we have a tendency to consider outsiders to be "savage" or simply "other" even when the evidence doesn't support that? Then this shitpost would be more like a warning against xenophobia.
You chose an interpretation you didn't like just so you could dismiss it. And you don't think your goal in doing so is to feel intellectually superior? You're another.
Hmmm it's almost as if politics and ethics are very nuanced and one answer is never correct in every situation..
One side thinks the answer is "do fascism", so I think it may be fair to conclude that one of the proposed answers is at least wrong in every situation.
One faction has a messiah fixation, thumps a Bible they've never even read (they just let some pastor tell them what's in it), obsesses over guns and other peoples' private (by which I mean sexual) lives and reproductive organs. They've been told and so believe that Sodom and Gomorrah was about the sex, but it was about righteousness and hospitality - and these are two things that they themselves lack completely.
There is a real problem, a real danger, because it fits historical patterns we've seen before - the so-called "ideas" that they spout with the language that they use - and they end up mindlessly, senselessly bringing EVERYBODY down with them.
They are a menace to all of us. Including themselves, but they don't see it. And neither does the "both sides" argument, a lazy excuse for not acknowledging that the proverbial emperor has no clothes.
Now tell me something you didn't learn on Reddit
I'm not sure if this "faction" you speak of is really as clear cut as you think it is. Nor whether it's being depicted in the comic. You're specifically reading your "faction" belief into this comic in order to criticize it.
What would the other "faction" be? Would it not be people in the same country? Does the meme even apply at that point?
This shit is clearly about xenophobia and all of you responding with Reddit Buzzwords are completely missing that point. In fact, you're contributing to xenophobia by refusing to recognize it. You might have more in common with the "bible thumpers" than you realized.
What do you mean?
It is quite literally implying "both sides actually same!"
It's addressing the concept of demonization, a la Israel and Palestine. It's via these mechanisms that other people are dehumanized.
Not Karen v Karen at the pta meeting.
"Glorious leader" sure sounds like a pretty direct reference to the Kim dynasty.
Aww yes enlightened centralism
Miss.
Again it's about any group demonizing another.
The process of generating the "subhuman" other based on misinformation.
It's not about holding people to their honest record.
Playing the middle and saying "both sides" is completely different than what this image is displaying.
Miss.
Again it is about exactly what I said. "Our glorious leader" is not about other people it is both sideism.
It's about playing both sideism.
What side are you on in Russia-Ukraine? No question dodging "enlightened centralist".
If your whole view is just shit reposted on Lemmy about American politics sure.
You're just exposing your field of vision.
Miss. Again.
What? I never said that.
Misquote = block cya
I said it. I asked you a question and you aren't answering it.
Miss again.
Can you talk without using buzzwords and pop-quizzes on irrelevant shit?
After we stop pretending that the morally superior view is one where everyone is equally awful.
Being sympathetic I get what the picture is trying to convey. Really ask yourself if different is worse or is it just different.
Being realistic it smells of in every conflict everyone involved is evil. And that simply is not always true. Giving a real world example is the invasion of the Ukraine. There is no both sides in this. One is a democracy the other is a dictatorship. One is defending their homeland and the other is invading. One of it loses is looking at genocide and the other if it loses has some egg on their face. They are not the same.
So far all you've figured out is that this meme must not be about Ukraine then! And yet you're still talking about it. You only want to disagree. That's why you're posting. That's why you're responding to me. That's why you're here. You want to disagree with shit to feel intellectually superior, and the hilarious part is that you are disagreeing with something on the grounds that they just a make a ploy at intellectual superiority! And by the way, calling this "enlightened centrism" just for the purposes of disagreeing with it is actually making a strawman, not whatever that other comment was.
Yeah yeah I suck get in line and take a number. At least I am not a Putin stooge.
Please point to literally anyone in this thread that is defending Putin or trying to say it's about "both sides" in that war specifically.
Here, I can do it. I can do the magical thing that you want:
Putin bad. Russian invasion of Ukraine bad.
I'll go even further:
Netanyahu bad. Palestinian genocide bad.
Also, and you'll be shocked to hear that multiple things can be true at the same time:
Xenophobia bad.
Is that... what you wanted?
You.
Holy shit, you read the first sentence and just fired that off, didn't you?
You have to keep reading.
No.
"No." what? "No." you won't keep reading beyond the first sentence, or "No." you didn't fire that off after only reading the first sentence? Those are contradictory.
But I'm not going to play dumb. I know your terse responses are to signal that you aren't taking me seriously and you're treating my words with contempt. I get it.
But the weird thing is that you're all over this thread challenging people to disavow putin, and the moment somebody does, you won't even acknowledge it. Is that because you put so much stock in the idea that we're enlightened centrists that you didn't actually bother to form a coherent thought beyond that?
Not paying you to talk
I know that. Is this you giving up on the argument but still needing to get the last word? If you don't want to talk you can just stop replying. Continuing to reply without really saying anything is just exposing how little you really have to say.
Ah yes, the runaway Reddit train of: "Anyone who sees anything in the world as more than plain good vs evil is evil"
Like most subreddits, what started as an interesting idea (calling out people who supported fascism by saying anti-fascism was as bad as it) devolved into an absolutely moronic circlejerk (anyone who says anything is the same as anything else is a bot).
Strawman.
Buzzword.
Nope.
Because it isn't always true? Sometimes you government just has regular levels of suck while the other government is really awful. I am confident that the South Korean government has room for improvement I am not willing to put them on the same level as North Korea. Plus you can look at migration flows. There is a reason why some countries have people willing to risk death to get into and other countries people are trying to get out of.