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I just want to say that creating a precedent of not allowing AI models to train on free content essentially means that when the models get cheap enough for average joes to train their own, average joes won’t be able to.
We’ll have to use the models owned by huge corporations with deep pockets, because those will be the only legal ones.
Also, if people think that Lemmy posts won't be trawled by content farmers looking to train their AI, I've got a bridge to sell them.
Reddit's deal is about locking content away from trawlers until they pay for it. Here, it's free for all of them. They can even set up their own servers and the fediverse will deliver it to them in real time.
Yeah that's the thing, part of the reason why I'm so confused. Reddit can literally just crawl any posts on Lemmy, it's exactly the same in that sense. Public is public, after all.
That’s a sort of realpolitik view of the web, based on using tech and engineering convention to control information flow on the web.
But the web standards we’ve used to regulate things aren’t in agreement with the new legal framework people are trying to implement, and if we allow them to make their legal argument unopposed, they will add new layers to the tech to change web standard behavior into dystopian centrally controlled network behavior.
I agree the web is an open platform, and I agree that copyright law is clear. But these people are not operating on trying to follow existing rules. They’re trying to create new rules, and they have the power to do so.
And no, they do not RTFM . They think a greenfield rewrite is the best move for society, because they have zero respect for the engineering decisions of yesterday, not for the challenge or the value of maintaining existing systems.
Maybe I just haven’t had enough coffee yet, but I’m having a hard time determining which side you’re on. Are you saying it’s good that reddit is doing this?
I see myself as advocating for one set of ideas out of a sea of ideas and an ocean of such sets. Sides are for basketball games.
Generally speaking, I’m a libertarian but to me the word is about liberty not lack of responsibility.
I’ll take: