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Obscene wealth doesnt come from nowhere. It invariably comes from exploiting the efforts of others to their deteriment (even if that deteriment is immeasurably small).
The text that is being used to train models has a value, even if you believe yours does not. Others have spent huge amounts of money and effort educating themselves so that they can create articles, papers, literature, and even internet comments, which is then being used in these models.
So yeah, I guess I do see it as a zero sum game. In order for an exchange to be positive sum, both parties need to agree to the exchange. We do not get any choice in the exchange.
I think we fundamentally disagree here, and I have said enough. I am glad you are happy with the way things are, I wish I could feel the same way.
But that just isn't so. Sometimes it can be true, but not invariably so. If an inventor comes up with a new invention and then sells it to people who want to buy the invention for the price that he's selling it at (due to it providing them greater utility than the price he's charging - that's basic economics), then who has suffered any detriment in any of this? The inventor made money. The customers got the thing that they wanted. Nobody lost anything, and some people gained in the process.
Again, simply not true. I can think of all sorts of scenarios where a forced exchange could wind up with both parties benefiting. That's not to say that any arbitrary forced exchange would be beneficial, of course, obviously not. But saying that it cannot happen can be easily disproved by counterexample.
This isn't just an "agree to disagree" thing. The people raging about how ChatGPT et al somehow "stole" their Reddit shitposts and now think they're owed money are trying to shut ChatGPT et al down. Huge swaths of intellectual property are sitting fallow because the people that own the rights aren't doing anything with it but darned if they'll let anyone else do something with it instead. It's a destructive mindset, and not just for the people feeling it. It harms society as a whole.