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Cross community censorship: For example on Reddit you wrote a comment in subreddit A (maybe even a negative one for that topic!) and then subreddits B, C and D permanently ban your account. If someone starts with that crap again they should be shunned.
Oh and verified users only communities, that sucked too.
Now, you post a hot take it's your entire server that goes on the black list.
Fr. The crying about defederating this or that I see from all kinds of instances when browsing everything is already giving me a bad taste. If you don't like something, block it your own damn self. Jesus fuck. You can block communities. You can make your own personal instance just to black/white list instances themselves for now if you want to be that widespread with blocks. You can probably find a tool to mass block as a regular user and not need that. You could just browse by subscribed and never see anything you didn't add again. So many things you, an individual, can do to curate your own shit without affecting every other user on the instance.
This is about the moderator class justifying their power to set the bounds of allowed discourse. Empowering the users with the means of decide their own curation algorithm settings would disempower moderators. And since the moderators can speak louder than users, they have more influence on the design direction.of Lemmy.
In a properly decentralized system, the default view would be everything and you would apply your preferred filters on top.
Communities themselves wouldn't be moderated, users would decide their own moderation actions publicly and other users would subscribe to moderation action feeds of people they agree with. Or maybe our own content curation algorithms would determine the moderation consensus of the whole userbase and take action on the client side using that to decide what to display.
Current Lemmy falls way way short of any of those features.
If I may ask, why do you believe that a properly decentralized system would default to everybody having to filter out things like hate speech on their own?
Because deleting stuff is easy
Undeleting stuff is impossible
If you let other people delete stuff for you, you hand over control of your thoughts to anonymous third parties
Any instance that hosts r/coontown2.0 or similar can get fucked in my opinion. Defederate immediately. If they want to play they can have standards.
9 times out of 10, the subs that banned me for posting in another sub, were subs I would never wish to participate in anyway because they were generally racist, homophobic shitholes.
The verified user bullshit, though, that can go to hell. They usually put their shit in that mode when it was generating real talk between two opposing view points, and would say it's for the betterment of that when all it did was turn the comments into an echo chamber that was often much more toxic than just allowing the "other side" in.
I was talking more about when you post a comment in a fringe sub (that popped out over a link or r/all) and just because you commented there you get banned from regular subs. Even if your comment was against racism/hate.
And the bans were always without warning and arbitrary. One day you're fine, next day a shitty main sub throws you a ban out of nowhere.
If a nutjob right wing post pops up on my feed I sometimes can't resist and go in there and start to discuss. Not like they can bring up any coherent arguments anyway.
That's what the 10th times in that "9 out of 10" was for. I remember commenting in /r/conservative because they made a big statement that essentially said they were an echo chamber without specifically calling it that (they went so far as to say they didn't know what to call it lol) and I pointed out "Oh, you admit to being an echo chamber?" and got banned (naturally). But then a couple other subs I used did ban me because of that 1 post. It wasn't to hard to get a reasonable mod in either sub and get them to actually read the comment and unban me, though.
Largely the subs that did that shit, tho, were the right-wingers and extremists.