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[–] [email protected] 58 points 10 months ago (2 children)

This is the messaging that we, as the left, fail to get across. Multiracial, multiethnic, international cooperation is good and has knock on effects for everyone.

But those words can’t overcome primal fear and greed.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Not saying the liberal message doesn't need fine tuning. It absolutely does.

But let's not ignore the fact that for many conservatives, suffering is the goal.

Conservatives are fully okay with things like welfare and social programs.....so long as it's only for them.

It's all those other people who are too lazy to get a job and work for a living. They are the ones that don't deserve government hand outs.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (3 children)

There is a good Adam Conover podcast episode where he interviews Corey Robin. In the episode Robin states the main premise of his book, which is that the central underlying ideology of the right is the belief that some people are better than others and deserve to be in power. A lot of the rights' beliefs and ideas evolve over time but they evolve in service of that core idea. It's the one thing that stays consistent over time going back to the french revolutions.

Multiracial, multiethnic, international cooperation, helping the homeless, helping the poor. No matter how you spin it by trying to convince them of the benefits ect, the right will never be on board. They don't believe those groups deserve help or should be helped. They fundamentally believe it is morally good to depower certain groups and empower other groups.

That one idea explains so much of the rights blatant hypocrisy. Welfare disproportionality going to red states is good because it's going to the good people. Rich people getting richer is good because it's going to the good people. Hurting minorities is good because they are the bad people, helping them is bad. Some people are innately worthy and some people are not. Anything the good people do is good, anything the bad people do is bad. The same action can be good or bad depending on who is doing it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Ayy another Conover fan!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In other words, fear. The cruelty is their best idea for keeping the people they fear under control.

It’s their only idea, because it’s how they were raised and how they live their lives.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The problem is when they pay their taxes they still think that money is "theirs." If that were the case the government in no way shape of form should be able to completely ignore our calls to scale back the military. Like it or not once that money is in the system the only say you get is one vote.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I read that as international corporation.