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Could rust do with a crates.io alternative? (self.rust)
submitted 1 year ago by onlinepersona to c/rust
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To me, the two major problems are:

  1. no namespaces

Someone uploads "serde2"? that's blocked forever. Someone uploads a typo version of a popular package? Too bad for you, learn how to type.

  1. the github connection

If you want to contribute to crates.io you're bound to github. No gitlab, codeberg, gitee, sourcehut, etc.

Not sure if there are any other problems, but those two seem like the biggest things and #1 is AFAIK not something they ever want to change + it would be difficult to as one would need a migration strategy.

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[–] verstra 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Isn't github used only as the auth provider? It is not using any git features, just leaning on the security guarantees of github. I don't find this too alarming.

If you want, you can use git links when declaring dependencies in Cargo.toml. So alternative to crates.io is basically any git host already!

[–] onlinepersona 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isn’t github used only as the auth provider?

Still makes you bound to github. Can't publish to crates.io without github.

just leaning on the security guarantees of github

What security guarantee does github have? I can create a new account right now with a random email, sign up for crates.io and type-squat a package.

If you want, you can use git links when declaring dependencies in Cargo.toml. So alternative to crates.io is basically any git host already!

Sure, but how do you discover the package? That's the other function of a registry. Also, I could easily just add another package as a submodule, but that's not the point.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I think the security guarantee is for the user and their credentials, not the community and trustworthiness of individuals.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Semver checks don’t work with straight git urls, since you can only link to an explicit branch or commit, not a version.

[–] BB_C 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

version can be passed with git actually. And it will need to match with the version set in Cargo.toml from the git source.

I wouldn't call that an alternative to crate registries though (of which, crates.io is only one impl).

Also tangentially related, cargo-vendor is a thing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Semver strings allows stuff like "version 2.5.x, but below 2.5.6". Then cargo calculates the best solution for satisfying all dependency specifications from all packages using a single version (if possible).

Specifying a version in addition to the git branch doesn't help there at all, because you still have to do it manually then.

[–] BB_C 1 points 1 year ago

Yes. That is in part why I mentioned that it's not a real alternative, and mentioned cargo-vendor as a possible basis for a less manual serviceable solution.

Serviceable, but not necessarily good still. Anti-crates.io extremists would still be better off using an alternative crates registry*.

* That's something that already exists btw. True extremists don't have to wait for the HN leak-promised Good Stuff.