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Fediverse sustainability (lemmy.ml)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I prefer good faith discussions please. I love the Fediverse and love what it can be long term. The problem is that parts of the culture want nothing to do with financial aspect. Many are opposed to ads, memberships, sponsorships etc The “small instances” response does nothing to positively contribute to the conversation. There are already massive instances and not everyone wants to self host. People are concerned with larger companies coming to the Fedi but these beliefs will drive everyday users to those instances. People don’t like feeling disposable and when you hamstring admins who then ultimately shut down their instances that’s exactly how people end up feeling. There has to be an ethical way of going about this. So many people were too hard just to be told “too bad” “small instances” I don’t want to end up with a Fediverse ran by corporations because they can provide stability.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I mean Reddit Gold was a cool idea back in its heyday.

But yeah, funding it via donations comes with some implications in regards to cutting non-donation costs.

Say you have a single donation tier, on patreon or so. If push comes to shove and you get too few donations, the following would be perfectly understandable things to happen:

To cut costs, non-donating users are rate-limited for their interactions.
To cut staff cost, defederation is vigorously employed to both cut external content to review and also marginally cut server cost from the actual federation updates.
To further cut staff cost, non-donating users will automatically be temp-banned if reported with no prior investigation, and placed in a low-priority review queue.

These all sound grotesque, but also understandable if you think about it, in particular the last one as personell cost is always really significant. Yeah you could argue "might as well go paid-only", sure. But to a point free users are okay, they just have to accept that in any "maybe" situation, they'll always lose out due to costing too much vs paying too little (nothing that is). "You get what you pay for" would be a way of putting it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I get what you’re saying and I appreciate your view instead of immediately going to attack mode like many others. Donations are great but aren’t sustainable long term. I think a freemium model would work