this post was submitted on 10 Sep 2023
51 points (89.2% liked)
Programming
17489 readers
66 users here now
Welcome to the main community in programming.dev! Feel free to post anything relating to programming here!
Cross posting is strongly encouraged in the instance. If you feel your post or another person's post makes sense in another community cross post into it.
Hope you enjoy the instance!
Rules
Rules
- Follow the programming.dev instance rules
- Keep content related to programming in some way
- If you're posting long videos try to add in some form of tldr for those who don't want to watch videos
Wormhole
Follow the wormhole through a path of communities [email protected]
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Unfortunately, no one can be told what a monad is. You have to see it for yourself (then you won’t be able to explain it to anyone)
The problem is people constantly try to explain it using some kind of real world comparison to make it easier to visualize ("it's a value in a context", "it encodes side effects", "it's a way to do I/O", "it's just flatmap", "it's a burrito"), when all it really is is an abstraction. A very, very general abstraction that still turns out to be really useful, which is why we gave it the cryptic name "monad" because it's difficult to find a name for it that can be linked to something concrete simply because of how abstract it is. It really is just an interface with 2 key functions: (for a monad M)
Anything that you can possibly find a set of functions for that fits this interface and adheres to the rules described by someone else in this thread is a monad. And it's useful because, just like any other abstraction, if you identify that this pattern can apply to your type M and you implement the interface, then suddenly a ton of operations that work for any monad will also work for your type. One example is the coroutine transformation (async/await) that is an extremely popular solution to the Node.JS "callback hell" problem that used to exist, and which we call do-notation in Haskell:
This is a transformation you can actually do with any monad. In this case
Promise.resolve
is an implementation ofwrap
, andthen
is an implementation ofbind
(more or less, it slightly degenerate due to accepting unwrapped return values from f). Sadly it was not implemented generally in JS and they only implemented the transform specifically for Promises. It's sad because many people say they hate monads because they're complex, but then heap praise on Promises and async/await which is just one limited implementation of a monad. You may have noticed that generators withyield
syntax are very similar to async/await. That's because it's the exact same transformation for another specific monad, namely generators. List comprehensions are another common implementation where this transform is useful:Another (slightly broken) implementation of monads and the coroutine transform people use without knowing it is "hooks" in the React framework (though they refuse to admit it in order to not confuse beginners).
Fuck... I actually just wanted to write a short reply to the parent comment and devolved into writing a Monad Tutorial...
Thought I'd finish the Monad Tutorial since I stopped midway...
The general notion that the abstraction actually captures is the notion of dependency, the idea that an instance x of your type can be in some common operation dependent on other instances of your type. This common operation is captured in
bind
. For Promises for example, the common operation is "resolving". In my first post, for thegetPostAuthorName
promise to resolve, you first need to resolvegetPost
, and then you need to resolvegetUser
.It also captures the idea that the set of dependencies of your x is not fixed, but can be dynamically extended based on the result of the operation on previous dependencies, e.g.:
In this case,
getPostAuthorName
is not dependent ongetUser
ifgetPost
already resolved to undefined. This naturally induces an extra order in your dependents. While some are independent and could theoretically be processed in parallel, the mere existence of others is dependent on each other and they cannot be processed in parallel. Thus the abstraction inherently induces a notion of sequentiality.An even more general sister of Monad, Applicative, does away with this second notion of a dynamic set and requires the set of dependents to be fixed. This loses some programmer flexibility, but gains the ability to process all dependents in parallel.
Isn't a monad just a monoid in the category of endofunctors?
Ohhhh, this site is a great find. Exploring all the articles right now. Thanks!
If you use JavaScript, you've probably seen a monad, since Promise is a monad. Unit is
Promise.resolve()
, bind isPromise.then()
. As required,Promise.resolve(x).then(y) === y(x)
(unit forms a left identity of bind),y.then(Promise.resolve) === y
(unit forms a right identity of bind), andx.then(y.then(z)) === x.then(y).then(z)
(bind is essentially associative).You even have the equivalent of Haskell's fancy do-notation (a form of syntactic sugar to save writing unit and bind all over the place) in the form of async/await. It's just not generalized the way it is in Haskell.