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Is there anything that's like... not based on chromium... or firefox?
I keep seeing people with devout hatred for my beloved Firefox, but none of you say why.
Because Firefox honestly used to be shit, especially in the early Phoenix/Firebird days, but now it isn't anymore, and they just haven't bothered to check it out again. The "killing all the existing extensions" thing really didn't help matters either.
Firefox in the Phoenix/Firebird days was amazing compared to ie6, Opera, and SeaMonkey/Mozilla suite
I agree it was a heavy blow when they announced that, I didn't update for a few months, but man was it a nice fresh start, and I'm grateful that all the addons I had before have now made it over to the new system.
I admittedly didn't use FF before it was FF, I think I got into it around probably 2006 or so, but it's been great in my opinion ever since then.
I was really sour about the Mr Robot prank where they modified pages without informing the user. But weighing a prank gone wrong against the active goal of dicking over the internet I'll take the well meaning pranksters.
Some that I have heard (some are outdated and/or mostly irrelevant):
That said, I'm still using Librewolf.
I know you didn't say these were your opinions, but I'll still see if I can comment on them:
It's not. It's actually faster.
Ehhhhhhhhh. Source?
Everything has telemetry, but Firefox shows you right where to turn it off, unlike the rest.
??? Which browser has no ads?
Fair.
Adblock? This a joke?
Source?
Source?
Relevance?
Also, Librewolf is just a fork of FF, you can make main FF exactly like Libre but get same day updates and security patches.
??? I literally never said anything about hating Firefox, I was merely asking a simple question...
I used to use Firefox all the time, then they killed all the extensions. That doesn't mean I somehow "hate it" LOL
But like, y'know, anyone that doesn't agree with you is literally Satan, right? 🙄
I have one thing missing from Firefox that keeps me from permanently switching: vertical tabs. I know there's ways of hacking it into FF, but nothing sustainable. I know it seems minor, but in Brave/Edge, it just works so damn well.
There are multiple extensions that do this in FF.
But those leave the horizontal tabs as they are. Such a waste of space with wide screen monitors being the norm.
sideberry
Thanks, I'll give it a shot.
I prefer Tab Center Reborn with CSS edits, but Sideberry absolutely gets the job done, and well.
Vertical tabs can be done by CSS, it doesn't even require an extension.
There's not a lot these days ever since Opera and Edge switched to Chromium. You gotta move to Apple's ecosystem for an alternative.
An actual, insightful answer that isn't toxic, and doesn't throw shade or insult anyone or anything? My goodness, I must be dreaming!
Thanks for not disintegrating me, cuz that's where the bar is at, apparently 🙄
Epiphany uses WebKit, but it doesn't have working add-on support yet, so you will still have lots of ads and cookie banners.
I use it as a secondary browser if something doesn't work in Librewolf, but for me the internet is pretty much unusable without "i (still) don't care about cookies" and UBlock Origin, so it only works as a backup for me.
There are also some Browsers using QTWebengine which uses Blink (the core of Chromium (meaning technically not chromium itself)) like Qutebrowser and Falkon.
Pale Moon and Basilisk which are based on an old version of Firefox and diverged quite a bit.
Konqueror which uses KHTML (predecessor of WebKit (predecessor of Blink)).
NetSurf idk haven't tried it.
Then there is stuff like Ladybird, which will crash all the time. Links, ELinks, Lynx, w3m, Links2 are text based. Discontinued Internet Explorer. Old versions of MS Egde. Old versions of Opera. Basically nothing else that is usable.
Thank you 😊
Safari, if you're a goddamn normie.
I don’t know if you’re being serious or sarcastic.
I use Safari with Apple’s private relay and various ad blockers and have been quite happy. Are there reasons to be concerned? (other than Apple=bad)
Concerned no I think... But I am gonna guess you missing on some features and specially extensions but I might be wrong. Except on iOs since there you are missing on that anyway.
Yeah I’m 100% fine with the functionality. I prefer to keep my life simple. Thanks.
Well the privacy/security enthusiasts will prefer open source browsers, as these are viewed as more trustworthy.
Safari is closed source (although WebKit, the rendering engine that Safari uses, is open source).
Ok thanks.
I’m willing to sacrifice some FOSS for convenience, as long as it’s reasonable. But in general I’m a strong supporter of open source and publish my own code that way.