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Name one that is "ethically" sourced.
And "open data" is a funny thing to say. Why is it open? Could it be open because people who made it didn't expect it to be abused for ai? When a pornstar posted a nude picture online in 2010, do you think they thought of the idea that someone will use it to create deepfakes of random women? Please be honest. And yes, a picture might not actually be "open data" but it highlights the flaw in your reasoning. People don't think about what could be done to their stuff in the future as much as they should but they certainly can't predict the future.
Now ask yourself that same question with any profession. Please be honest and tell us, is that "open data" not just another way to abuse the good intentions of others?
Brother if someone made their nudes public domain then that's on them
Wow, nevermind, this is way worse than your other comment. Victim blaming and equating the law to morality, name a more popular duo with AI bros.
I can't make you understand more than you're willing to understand. Works in the public domain are forfeited for eternity, you don't get to come back in 10 years and go 'well actually I take it back'. That's not how licensing works. That's not victim blaming, that's telling you not to license your nudes in such a manner that people can use them freely.
The vast majority of people don't think in legal terms, and it's always possible for something to be both legal and immoral. See: slavery, the actions of the third reich, killing or bankrupting people by denying them health insurance... and so on.
There are teenagers, even children, who posted works which have been absorbed into AI training without their awareness or consent. Are literal children to blame for not understanding laws that companies would later abuse when they just wanted to share and participate in a community?
And AI companies aren't using merely licensed material, they're using everything they can get their hands on. If they're pirating you bet your ass they'll use your nudes if they find them, public domain or not. Revenge porn posted by an ex? Straight into the data.
So your argument is:
But:
It's closer to victim blaming than you think.
The law isn't a reliable compass for what is or isn't right. When the law is wrong, it should be changed. IP law is infamously broken in how it advantages and gets (ab)used by companies. For a few popular examples: see how youtube mediates between companies and creators, nintendo suing everyone they can (costs victims more than it does nintendo), everything disney did to IP legislation.
Okay but I wasn't arguing morality or about children posting nudes of themselves. I'm just telling you that works submitted into the public domain can't be retracted and there are models trained on exclusively open data, which a lot of AI haters don't know, understand or won't acknowledge. That's all I'm saying. AI is not bad, corporations make it bad.
Fuck yea it ain't, I'm the biggest copyright and IP law hater on this platform and I'll get ahead of the next 10 replies by saying no it's not because I want to enable mindless corporate content scraping; it's because human creativity shouldn't not be boxed in. It should be shared freely, lest our culture be lost.