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US should not have made concessions to Russia over Ukraine, says German minister (www.theguardian.com)

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Germany’s defense minister, Boris Pistorius, criticized the U.S. for making concessions to Russia before peace talks, particularly ruling out NATO membership for Ukraine and accepting territorial losses.

His concerns were echoed by France’s defense minister, Sébastien Lecornu.

Trump’s recent call with Putin sparked European opposition, with key nations reaffirming their support for Ukraine’s sovereignty.

The Kremlin welcomed Trump’s stance, while Ukraine maintained its NATO aspirations.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You’re always in the fray, because you want to be seen to be in the fray, because you cannot comprehend yourself to be not in the fray.

This does feel accurate. I wouldn't know how else to explain it at least.

I don't really know much about Libya, as that took place a little before I started to get actively interested in politics. Looking it up now seems there is much more to the situation than I could pick up in 5 minutes and understand anything. I couldn't tell you why we went there, or to Somolia, or most of the places we go. Most of the things America gets involved in, I don't see what the benefit is to the actual American people. I'd much rather we go around giving aid instead of swinging a sword if we want to show others how "great" we are.

I also don't understand the idea that anyone would want to "take over" Russia as it seems their defense for most of their actions seems to be. Does anyone actually want to do that? I feel the world just wants to see them stop having crappy leaders and that's the extent of it. As deep as the US/Russia feud is, I've never heard talk of actually trying to get rid of Russia as a country in any realistic manner.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

According to Moscow, Russia is a great power. And, I mean, sure, it's an empire, has been since Ivan the Terrible, it peaked with the Soviet Union and is now trying to re-establish its rightful place in the world.

According to the rest of Russia, where the fuck is our indoor plumbing. It would be right-out trivial to break Russia apart, with its various people and identities scattered over vast areas of territory, given how brittle it is politically and economically. It might still collapse on its own, but a proper invasion would right-out force the issue, also, something something nukes. So even if the US doesn't intend to, an actual face-off with Russia would mean the end of Russia as we know it.